Consulting - Management, Strategic, IT et all

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Hi, This thread is for people interested in Consulting - of all forms, as mentioned in the title of this thread. Specifically for people who are currently doing their MBA or who intend to pursue an MBA, wishing to get into this field. Le…

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Hi,

This thread is for people interested in Consulting - of all forms, as mentioned in the title of this thread. Specifically for people who are currently doing their MBA or who intend to pursue an MBA, wishing to get into this field.

Let me kick off my this article I found in WSJ about consulting recruitment in MBA this year:

http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=wsjvoices&nav;=messages&msg;=3672&mod;=home_in_depth_reports

Though I have nothing specific to say here, lets keep some discussion flowing.

Arun - CrackVerbal

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Me in a strat consulting firm..Do let me know if I could be useful. Actually lookin for a few people for right now in consulting (Post MBA) and analyst (post BE) positions..LEt's hope this thread works out well

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Myself, a Business Intelligence Consultant.
For those new to the jargon, data analytics or market anlytics might help.

Me not an MBA.

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convolutedsignal Says
Me in a strat consulting firm..Do let me know if I could be useful. Actually lookin for a few people for right now in consulting (Post MBA) and analyst (post BE) positions..LEt's hope this thread works out well

If u r nt too strict abt privacy issues, dare i ask which one ?

me in a boutique consultancy..... non MBA.. Business Analyst..... but practically a consultant what with carrying out whole projects on my own....
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Here's a business week news report on Mckinsey's target schools

McKinsey & Company
Number hired: 385

 Schools where McKinsey & Company hired MBAs:
(Click any school name to see profile, including top 15 recruiters) School Number INSEAD 91 University of Pennsylvania 48 Columbia University 47 Northwestern University 38 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 26 University of Chicago 21 UC Berkeley (Haas) 11 IESE Business School 11 London Business School 10 University of Michigan 10 Oxford University 10 Indian Institute of Management Calcutta 7 Virginia (Darden) 7 Yale 7 UNC Chapel-Hill (Kenan-Flagler) 6 UCLA (Anderson) 5 Carnegie Mellon 5 Duke University 5 IMD 5 Indian Institute of Management at Ahmedabad 5 Dartmouth College 4 Erasmus University 2 ESADE 2 University of California, Irvine 1 University College Dublin 1
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If u r nt too strict abt privacy issues, dare i ask which one ?

me in a boutique consultancy..... non MBA.. Business Analyst..... but practically a consultant what with carrying out whole projects on my own....


Ive pmed u
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My desig says "IT Consultant" but I aint doin much of consulting as of now. I plan to get an MBA and get into the Functional/Business Consulting space. In case my MBA plans dont quite materialize, plan to make the move to ERP consulting (am currently more on the implementation side)

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convolutedsignal Says
Me in a strat consulting firm..Do let me know if I could be useful. Actually lookin for a few people for right now in consulting (Post MBA) and analyst (post BE) positions..LEt's hope this thread works out well


Hey dude,

To start with ...update us with ur background..how u got into the firm..and then moving onto the kinda work u do? I believe ur all of 22 ...and already a consultant.

same goes for "vaguefunda"....guys enlighten us with the kinda work u do ?

Better4worse

(PS : Arun...... thanks mate... for this new thread on consultancy!)
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convolutedsignal Says
Me in a strat consulting firm..Do let me know if I could be useful. Actually lookin for a few people for right now in consulting (Post MBA) and analyst (post BE) positions..LEt's hope this thread works out well


Strat consulting ? Impressive. Do you do it for clients in India ? What are the pre and post MBA differences in your company ?

I work in an IT consulting company. So what it basically means that we go one step ahead of munchkin code writing and interact a lot with our clients. Our value proposition is based on various things. Among them, the chief being "doing what makes sense" even if means a lot of pain and a Fixed-time-fixed-price approach in outsourcing for almost all the projects.

BTW, got this link, sign up for a free copy:

http://management_consultant_international.consultingcentral.com/vsf/international_consulting

Arun
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Hey dude,

To start with ...update us with ur background..how u got into the firm..and then moving onto the kinda work u do? I believe ur all of 22 ...and already a consultant.

same goes for "vaguefunda"....guys enlighten us with the kinda work u do ?

Better4worse

(PS : Arun...... thanks mate... for this new thread on consultancy!)


Ahem..U make me sound like a kid. I am a BE from BITS Pilani and had an offer from a KPO (Evalueserve) on campus. I went around asking people about what would be an ideal career path. We have an amazing aluni network and I got talking to an alumnus who is currently in Mckinsey USA. He referred me to McK Mumbai and at the same time to my current firm which is smaller (30 in India) but offered a better package and greater growth opportunities (this is not a cliche!) . I went through bothe the processes simultaneously and after the first round was kinda convinced about my current firm and chose to value suitablity over brand name (for now of course) . I dropped out of Mck's process got placed here after 6 rounds of interviews ( 3 of them Case interviews). I have had the opportunity to work in international assignments already (we do not have indian clients ) and have started heading my own agenda. So I guess am happy with the choice I made. My company has just arrived in India and so in the 4 months I've been here already become some sort of a senior. I am of course not a consultant full time and carry the of a research analyst. Since I work in teams on consulting assignments anyway I guess I am a consultant too albeit a rather inexperienced one.The job offers you challenge enough to keep on you on your toes eternally and also the chance to work with the sharpest minds around. You have to know your numbers and be ready to be challenged at any point of time. The perks are good ( I have my own golf club membership and regular wine tasting sessions ) Its good fun for now but I need an MBA fast cos I don't think I can last for more than 3 years without an MBA in this business. So thats my story.
Have any specific queries pm me. I am not very comfortable discussing my firm's name in a public forum.
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Hi folks,
I am looking to the following profiles after doing my MBA, am appearing for CAT and other tests this year. Apart from the IIMs', which b-schools in India would typically be offering opportunities in treasury, risk mgmt., analytics, non-IT consultancies (I am a plain vanilla graduate). I'm primarily interested in finance and Economics combinations in MBA, I know SCMHRD and XLRI do offer these combos'. Hope to get reply from you folks soon.

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Ahem..U make me sound like a kid. I am a BE from BITS Pilani and had an offer from a KPO (Evalueserve) on campus. I went around asking people about what would be an ideal career path. We have an amazing aluni network and I got talking to an alumnus who is currently in Mckinsey USA. He referred me to McK Mumbai and at the same time to my current firm which is smaller (30 in India) but offered a better package and greater growth opportunities (this is not a cliche!) . I went through bothe the processes simultaneously and after the first round was kinda convinced about my current firm and chose to value suitablity over brand name (for now of course) . I dropped out of Mck's process got placed here after 6 rounds of interviews ( 3 of them Case interviews). I have had the opportunity to work in international assignments already (we do not have indian clients ) and have started heading my own agenda. So I guess am happy with the choice I made. My company has just arrived in India and so in the 4 months I've been here already become some sort of a senior. I am of course not a consultant full time and carry the of a research analyst. Since I work in teams on consulting assignments anyway I guess I am a consultant too albeit a rather inexperienced one.The job offers you the level of challenge enough to keep on you on your toes eternally and also the chance to work with the sharpest minds around. Its good fun for now but I need an MBA fast cos I don't think I can last for more than 3 years without an MBA in this business. So thats my story.
Have any specific queries pm me. I am not very comfortable discussing my firm's name in a public forum.

thanx for d insight
is it a KPO or something??? Can a non MBA, non engg guy workin in a KPO enter this field???
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BTW curious to know a few things:

(a) The list of pure consulting companies based out of India.

(b) Also, what kind of work is McK doing here ? Biz Consulting or Data crunching to provide stats to supplement their core work done out of elsewhere ?

(c) In the list provided for consulting companies recruiting from BSchools, why is ISB (pardon the cliche') conspicuous by its absence ?

Arun

PS: Just mailed Suhas about this thread. Now he is a guy who can provide a lot gyaan here

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BTW curious to know a few things:

(a) The list of pure consulting companies based out of India.

(b) Also, what kind of work is McK doing here ? Biz Consulting or Data crunching to provide stats to supplement their core work done out of elsewhere ?

(c) In the list provided for consulting companies recruiting from BSchools, why is ISB (pardon the cliche') conspicuous by its absence ?

Arun

PS: Just mailed Suhas about this thread. Now he is a guy who can provide a lot gyaan here


a) I think u r referring to the India offices. Then we have Mck, BCG, Accenture, Everest, TPI and a host of boutique firms.
b) Biz consulting. That data crunching part is done by their Delhi office. MCKC (Knowledge center)
c) Its a list only for Mckinsey not all the firms. Not aware of ISB's strength in this field though.

And Suhas is goin to Hay I suppose. IIMA guys have all the fun
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thanx for d insight
is it a KPO or something??? Can a non MBA, non engg guy workin in a KPO enter this field???


Its not a KPO. Kpo's do not do consulting . They normally take on custom projects of usually small sizes.
Non MBA, Non Engg wud find it tough but not impossible though. I have a guy in my office who is just a grad from Stephens. quality work experience though.
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a) I think u r referring to the India offices. Then we have Mck, BCG, Accenture, Everest, TPI and a host of boutique firms.
b) Biz consulting. That data crunching part is done by their Delhi office. MCKC (Knowledge center)
c) Its a list only for Mckinsey not all the firms. Not aware of ISB's strength in this field though.

And Suhas is goin to Hay I suppose. IIMA guys have all the fun


hey ... by anychance.. u checking ur messages box ??...

Better4worse
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BTW curious to know a few things:

(a) The list of pure consulting companies based out of India.

(b) Also, what kind of work is McK doing here ? Biz Consulting or Data crunching to provide stats to supplement their core work done out of elsewhere ?

(c) In the list provided for consulting companies recruiting from BSchools, why is ISB (pardon the cliche') conspicuous by its absence ?

Arun

PS: Just mailed Suhas about this thread. Now he is a guy who can provide a lot gyaan here


Hey thanks, psycho for mailing me bout this..

Apart from mck and BCG we have atk/monitor/kpmg/pwc/E&Yaccenture; etc..but again lot of them are not "pure" consulting firms - E&Y;'s strenght wud be more accounting related stuff and corporate finance...but then Mck is also eyeing at corp fin engagements in India -recently formed a corp fin group...so the lines are fast getting blurred

MCKC does the data analytics part for foreign and domestic engagements of Mck..but Mck per se does strat and operations work mostly in India.(Just like anywhere else)....they also have an organistion practice (same case with BCG)..Hay has only organisation practice/strategy decode & implementation as far as consulting is concerned....
Lot of firms like CRISIL / ICRA have their business advisory section - which essentially is similar to what the big firms do....so options are a lot...Then one also have firms with specific market focus like Feedback Ventures in Infrastructure, KSA Technopak in Retail. Another interesting player is TSMG - started of as captive for TATA but now have clients outside of the group...
IBM BCS, Accenture,Deloitte etc do not do high end strategy work...they can be said to be doing derivative strategy - defining systems/MIS/IT backbone etc taking the business strategy as given.....They often claim they also formulate the biz strategy too but i dont believe they get a lot of engagements in that..:)

Though there is this perception that strategy consulting is the most "intellectually stimulating" I guess each of them have elements of stimulating work as well as laborious data crunching and interviewing and presentations...at least in the analyst level.

I think McK have recruited from ISB but probably the list was their key long term partner schools and hence IIM A...btb they also recruit frm B and C in India atleast for finals though they stick to only A for summers....
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Now that's some detail. Actually even when Accenture and the others in that rung get strat consulting , the work is more on the sourcing strategy than any real high level strat work. btw Hay does HR consulting and organisation strategy right? Do they work on Indian clients?

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Enlightening discussion this.. as snan said.. not all claimants to mgmt consulting do strategy consulting. Mck & BCG are the only ones among top tiers having sizeable presence in India. Mck has arnd 150 & BCG would be less than 100 in India. Not sure of the verticals they work in India but Mck does a lot of work for State & Central govts.

Some useful links for a high level gyaan on consulting.. Nothing specfic though ..

http://www.careers-in-business.com/consulting/mc.htm
http://www.managementconsultingnews.com/
http://www.consultingmag.com/
http://top-consultant.blogspot.com/

& the usual suspects like the vault/wetfeet guides to consulting careers.

& psychoD.. regarding your query on consulting scene at ISB.. we've been slowly building strength in strat consulting. Mck offered 6 jobs last yr, BCG 2 or 3, Marakon 2, Diamond Cluster 1 & then the rest like ATK, E&Y;, IBM BCS, Accn, Deloitte, PwC, Sapient & some boutique firms. Booz Allen & Bain didnt come last yr. Overall, pretty wide variety of offerings if you're interested in consultig & have the grades.