Equity Markets

To add to what Rahul has said: chk out JM's website: http://www.jmmutual.com/newsdetail.php?i=65

I am copy pasting whats been said on that page:

The following hypothetical example will make the concept clearer.
Buy ABC @ Rs.300/- and sell one month ABC Futures @ Rs.310/-. Scenario I Scenario II
ABC Price @ expiry
400 200
Profit/Loss on Cash
100 (100)
Profit/Loss on Futures
(90) 110
Net profit
10 10

So, in effect, it does kinda make it low-risk proposition. I still wont say no-risk, 'cuz a lot will depend on the prices @ which the stock has been bought and the futures sold. Or atleast thats what I've understood. Lemme know if I missed out something. :grin:

Nice it is!

Btw, Rahul, the name is Equity and Derivative Fund.


Hey thanks hobbes was struggling to find out the name of that fund and i feel that the risks are close to nothing i think the markets have to become ovrtly bullish or bearish to make it a low risk fund because generally the fund will be placing its bets at the beginning of the new contract which generally trades at a premium to the spot.........

Thanks anyways.......

Rahul

Jet Airways will open its IPO from 18-24 Feb.

Price Band Rs 950 - 1125

Whats your take on it?

rahulatcloudnine Says
i think the markets have to become ovrtly bullish or bearish to make it a low risk fund because generally the fund will be placing its bets at the beginning of the new contract which generally trades at a premium to the spot.........Rahul


:huh:

Can you plz explain that?

Or can you point to some online resource mat on this?

thnx!

Uday

d00ds,
why not focus a bit on the sectors which are good in 2005 and those which have potential growth pre and post-budget !!! .. Let the suggestions keep flowing..

T'Blazer.

hi junta,
wat big guys have to say abt dividend stripping in MF's? am a newbee in stock market and have no gr8 info... tried my hands on birla sunlife midcap(D)....

hello all people on this thread

can anyone tell me why did the wipro stock fall in 25th jun 2004

im not able to find out

does any one remember the reason ???

they offered 2 bonus shares for every share.. so a 1500/- pre-bonus share is equivalent to three 500/- post-bonus shares... the reflection came after the book closure date...(in this case 25th june)

:huh:

Can you plz explain that?

Or can you point to some online resource mat on this?

thnx!

Uday


Hey hobbes in the event of extremely bullish or bearish markets the futures premium may slip into negative which could cause a negative arbitrage on the fund........

Sorry could not answer it before as i was on a series of interviews and have just returned back..........

Rahul
Jet Airways will open its IPO from 18-24 Feb.

Price Band Rs 950 - 1125

Whats your take on it?


well guys i am of the opinion that at the higher end of the band the pricing is very steep and you might not get very significant returns on the stock...

Moreover i think that u mite get allotment in the ratio of 1:4 or 1:5 which will make ur overall returns in the region of 2 odd percent if the listing opens with a gap of 10 odd percent........

My personal gut feeling says that one should try and avoid this stock..........

U mite be able to get the stock at close to the issue price after a few days of listing because of profit booking and i think that time one can buy it only if one is a long term investor ( 3+ years)..........

Rahul

hi guyz
this is a lil "hatke" from the topic but about the markets nonetheless

I recently read "Liar's poker" by michael lewis...

It's bout a dood working in Salomon brothers in the '80s ...awesome book ...gives an inside look at investement banking...

do try it

more info here and here

ciao

rohit

hi!


does anyone knows the difference between ADR and sponsored ADR?????????

another question is regarding

what is short selling in terms of shares and what is T+2 settelement????????

CIAO

rinku

post2ashish Says
they offered 2 bonus shares for every share.. so a 1500/- pre-bonus share is equivalent to three 500/- post-bonus shares... the reflection came after the book closure date...(in this case 25th june)


Thanks a lot.

was not able to find this out anywhere.
what is short selling in terms of shares and what is T+2 settelement????????
CIAO
rinku


To say in brief, short-selling means "you are selling shares which doesn't belong to you". Broker will get those shares from pepl who are trading on margin.. ( i.e who bought those shares with lended broker's money. So, it is a property of the broker eventhough you bought it). You can sell these shares in the market and get money.

Why would someone do 'short-selling' ?
Ans: If you think that the price of the stock will go down in a few hours/days..(mebbe the VP or CEO called you up saying that company is closing business to open a dhaaba ). So, you sell shares at the current high price to book profit. You get these shares from your broker for a shortsell which he sells and adds money/securities to your acct.

How will you pay back shares whatever you have lended ?
Ans: Now that company is closed and its CEO is now smashing mosquitoes.. :grab: you can buy the shares at a lower price from the market, and return them to your broker.. i.e you sold at Rs.70 and bought it back at Rs.30. You gained Rs.40. This is called 'Buy to Cover'. A 'buy to cover' order means, it will cover the short-sell which has been done for the *same share*. I am not sure whether our brokers allows you to buy-cover shares of another company for same amount.

Why should a brokerage firm allow short-selling ?
Ans: The firm gets commission for both trades.. for short-sale and buy-to-cover order. It allows the customer to leverage the shares which would have left untouched.. So, more volatility in the market.. Hence, SEBI or SEC also allows such trading..

Are things so rosy. Why dont everyone do 'short-selling' all the time ?
Ans: Suppose, you thot that whatever the CEO said was true, and short-sold the share at current price of Rs.20. Actually, he was your enemy and company declared profits, new re-investments leading to share price rocketing to Rs.90. When broker asks to cover the short-sale you have to make up the extra 70/- per share from your pocket and buy from the market to return the debt.

It doesn't matter if you are holding only 10-20 shares.. but it matters when you are holding 1000 shares.. It means, a loss of Rs.70,000 ... :wow: .. Just imagine the loss of FIIs who trades in millions of shares.. .. So, theres always a high risk with short-selling..


T+2 settlement means 'it takes 2 *business days* from the trade date for the trade to clear, transfer the monies between the two customer accounts ( buy and sell sides ) and also transfer of securities.. On T+2, either the shares are in your name, or else the money is in your account for a sell. This is from a customer-point of view..
From a broker's position, they have a concept of continous net settlement where their position and balances are tallied for a whole day w.r.t the exchange. But, that is a different arena which we never have to bother..

Hope this helps.. !!

Cheers,
T'Blazer.
To say in brief, short-selling means "you are selling shares which doesn't belong to you". Broker will get those shares from pepl who are trading on margin.. ( i.e who bought those shares with lended broker's money. So, it is a property of the broker eventhough you bought it). You can sell these shares in the market and get money.



Cheers,
T'Blazer.

Short selling is correctly explained here, but please remember short selling is not allowed in Indian markets in the cash segment to settle trades on t+2 segment.

One can short shares but needs to cover them up by eod.

If the net position at the end of day is -ive ie u have shorted some shares then you/or ur broker have to come with those no. shares when the settlement takes place after T+2 day.

If u fail to deliver the shares then it is marked as bad delivery, clearing house steps in and shares are then bought from the auction market which is open every day. After buying the shares they are delivered to the persons how were on the long side and SEBI slaps a 10% penalty plus the difference in cost of buying the shares from the auction market to u :(.
If u frequently short shares then u can be blacklisted and even banned from participating in the market trades.

Cheers
ace

thanks to ace_bubble and trail blazer.

well i have another query!

what is a difference between current account and capital account and pl also tell abt capital account convertibility.

thanks in advance

ciao
rinku

i hve come across these funda tht s&p; cnx nifty is based on total market capitalisation of companies where as bse 30 is based on floating market capitalisation ,can any body throw light on this which one is better and why ??????????????

rahul_caty Says
i hve come across these funda tht s&p; cnx nifty is based on total market capitalisation of companies where as bse 30 is based on floating market capitalisation ,can any body throw light on this which one is better and why ??????????????


sensex is based oon free float market cap,earlier it was also based on total market cap but in 2003 they moved to free float.

total market cap=total no of shares * market price.

free float market cap=total market cap - promoters market cap.

hence free float based is better coz it gives the actual market cap of share that are being traded in exchanges as the shares held by promoters are not traded.

hope it answers your query

ciao
rinku
hiii all
looking for some book on fundamental analysis, technical analysis and futures and options in stock markets relevant to Indian Context.
plz let me knwo the authors and approx pice of such books
sujay

i read the related article about hedge funds ,i could not understand following points related hedge fund strategies :

1.using arbitrage - seeking to exploit pricing inefficiencies between related securities - for example, can be long convertible bonds and short the underlying issuers equity.

2.investing in deeply discounted securities - of companies about to enter or exit financial distress or bankruptcy, often below liquidation value.
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