IS there no value Investor here. I mean The P/E mulitples at ehich some stocks are stilll toooooooooo strached.... I mean if the companies like infy continues at the same pE it will be more than a quater of GDP in 10 yrs (Cal for urself based upon current multiples.... but do you think really it could happen... personally I do not buy this.....
Moreover Why is everyone so possesd with Momentum based & day Trading ???
??:.... When you talk about fundamentals, let them see the sunlight.... short term momentum trading leads to asset bubles...
No value investors here ????
Warren Buffet ki Jay Ho....
Azeem
well.....
Azeem....,u r rite.....!
the very reason we find less hits on this thread is ........the very nature of it....atleast the time i have seen..............being here..
all i see here is.................".buy this "sell that."..."don't panic.".."i say this."this willhappen"...............there is absolutely lack of quality discussions ...........
even if someone likes a stock....then come out with reasons to back it.......
don't shoot the gun in air!!!..................these selfcentered tips!!........
anybody can give on street.....................but who takes it??!!
the purpose should be to share our knowledge...methodologies....and in the process learn.......................!!!
money making n losing is part of the game................!!
some of my friends out here might be wondering as referred earlier as to why don't i post more often now....the very reason being.............
"advertising of stocks of one's own interest....."...........which is fine but give backings...so that we could counterreact n debate!!!
what separates tips from recommendatons is fundamental reasoning......in the backdrop of economic fianancial equity dynamics.!!!
chao
life hedger
Chk out National Peroxide..
MP 2 days ago: 8500
MP now: 350
down 95% or 7800 rs :wow:
I ran to the nearest well but then I heard they are doing a 1:10 stock split..whew
nice commentary by THE ECONOMIST ...on current world markets scenario..!!
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6975848
hedger.
well.....
Azeem....,u r rite.....!
the very reason we find less hits on this thread is ........the very nature of it....atleast the time i have seen..............being here..
all i see here is.................".buy this "sell that."..."don't panic.".."i say this."this willhappen"...............there is absolutely lack of quality discussions ...........
even if someone likes a stock....then come out with reasons to back it.......
don't shoot the gun in air!!!..................these selfcentered tips!!........
anybody can give on street.....................but who takes it??!!
the purpose should be to share our knowledge...methodologies....and in the process learn.......................!!!
money making n losing is part of the game................!!
some of my friends out here might be wondering as referred earlier as to why don't i post more often now....the very reason being.............
"advertising of stocks of one's own interest....."...........which is fine but give backings...so that we could counterreact n debate!!!
what separates tips from recommendatons is fundamental reasoning......in the backdrop of economic fianancial equity dynamics.!!!
chao
life hedger
My name is sagar wadbudhe and i am tech analyst ... regarding fundamentals sorry guys i believe either u can be a techi or a fundamantal analyst the two fields are so wast that u cant master them in a short time span....
If any one of u feel that the calls given by me are wrong the please refer charts of the given stocks and the CMP at the given date u will come to know the truth...
I cant post here regularlu coz i am too busy to do that but i can surelly give u monthly tips...
If any one of you need help PM me at [email protected]
Sometime later we might conduct online conference i can guide on technical analysis...
sir..
u r comprehending it bit wrong........!
who did say or mix fundamentals..n technicals..together....!!
tell me one technical analyst(or even fundamental) in india who called the market crash in the right direction for all these days....
even FII'S with all their might n aura were unable 2 gauge the fallmovement..!
accept it...........EVERYBODY has to go wrong in EQUITY..oneday..anybody in world............( i can tell wronf investments of WARREN BUFET too!!)
every analyst worth its salt....was wounded .!!...if only for short time...
the best any able n good brain could have done is to HEDGE himselfby writing options or selling puts or calls!! so as to protect from the volatiltiy of the market gyrations in either directions.......
long term market dynamics move on fundamentals..which are a function of domestic n global economic forces as u must have seen this month
technicals help us to predict TRADING directions based on volumes ,moveing averages..n price reactions on daily basis..!..
a guy in the markets investing or trading..in capacity of a learned analyst has to keep in mind both the factors that govern the price dynamics..
so if ia m a fundamental guy.....the best i can do is 2 have as good undertanding of technicals so dta i don't park my money at WRONG TIME ..
mastery is not the key......knowledge that benefits u is free n all for grabs.
there is no rule in life or markets taht prerogates a particular subject....
u thought we all are here for tips......!! they are available in plenty allaround.....
r purpose is to share n write what r knowledge suggests...!
noone was or will doubting anyones views ...!!
all we will have is debates n countereactions......!!
still ur views n participation is welcomed......!
also sir....don't give any mails here...!
wishes for ur investing!
thanks
hedger
Yes you are right everyone should know some basics before investing in the market..
i would suggest to go to www.nseindia.com >>>> NCFM>>> download >>. and download few books from there the most imp one is basic book it is free of cost will give you some idea about the PE.. put/call ratio.. open interest valuation... mar cap etc...
Regarding predicting the market i personnaly believe that no one should predict the market coz u can always get the unexpected but being a tech analyst its my job to predict th market..
If you guys happen to read about wave theory please read something aboutr elliot wave.. the elliot wave predicted the recent correction accurately..
then there are certain things such as double top/bottom head and shoulder which helps guys like us to predict the moment...
the reaon i gave my id is if ever you guys want to know more about it u can PM me coz i am not frequent visitor of pagalguy.. and we can discuss many things in the conference which practically not possible doing here...
Still first of all get the basic book from nse if possible give the exam it will also help you to build ur resume... ithe examination fees is 500Rs if you want to go for any other module it will cost you around 1000 Rs per module..
And my dear friend every tech analyst predicted the fall moment If i remember the name.. Vivek patil predicted that market might move close to 13000 and then there would be a correction.. then the cnbc guy rajat bose too predicted the moment in his news letters...
FII's sold the money 2 days before market corrected... please get the FII figures... and this is correction and not fall...
Yes you are right everyone should know some basics before investing in the market..
i would suggest to go to www.nseindia.com >>>> NCFM>>> download >>. and download few books from there the most imp one is basic book it is free of cost will give you some idea about the PE.. put/call ratio.. open interest valuation... mar cap etc...
Regarding predicting the market i personnaly believe that no one should predict the market coz u can always get the unexpected but being a tech analyst its my job to predict th market..
If you guys happen to read about wave theory please read something aboutr elliot wave.. the elliot wave predicted the recent correction accurately..
then there are certain things such as double top/bottom head and shoulder which helps guys like us to predict the moment...
the reaon i gave my id is if ever you guys want to know more about it u can PM me coz i am not frequent visitor of pagalguy.. and we can discuss many things in the conference which practically not possible doing here...
Still first of all get the basic book from nse if possible give the exam it will also help you to build ur resume... ithe examination fees is 500Rs if you want to go for any other module it will cost you around 1000 Rs per module..
hm!!!!
do u think....i was giving all these views without thought n concepts....??.
u r mistaken .!
i am an AFP (INVESTMENT PLANNING)from FPSB INDIA/USA.....and a student of world financial markets...
have been following,understanding,n opinionating the indian markets for couple of years now......!
n though still a student...learning unlearning n relearning.........
still am confident enough to take challenge 2 talk 2 most people who have been in this field for years..........! coz i know everyone is vulnerable to good discussions............!!!
regarding bookish knowledge..i.give a damn 2 it...omly grab things dat i see have practical implications...!
unless u see it..feel it .....absorb it REAL TIME.....we ain't understanding it rite...!!
the key word here is WORLD FINACIAL ECONOMIC DYNAMICS......once i am a keen student of it.......my learning is already on its way...!!!
don't take age as a MISLED.....knowledge n competency is not a prerogative of age n degrees....!!
i hope i conveyed my thoughts better this time..!!.
neways nice interacting.......
wishes
bye
LH
victor SaysAnd my dear friend every tech analyst predicted the fall moment If i remember the name.. Vivek patil predicted that market might move close to 13000 and
Well I thought that I sould step in now...
Well as far as predection for correction goes everyone (including my 16 yrs old brother was seeing it in the making)... but noboday from your Mr.rajat,Ambreesh baliga & Prakash GABA predicted that it would be so steep & bloody......
Moreover of what ever they predicted was based upon the overheating of Stock market sine jan'06 but, what did we finally see ??? It was'nt as per the SO Called thechnical guru's who pronounced correction but because of cascading effect of F&O; segment & marging trading... so you see their prediction was based on correction based on overheating of Stocks but we saw it was because of Speculative Margin trading Activity....
Moreover your guru's like Rajat K Bose, Ajay Bhambwani etc predicted that market would again touch the circuit breaker second time , give some stupid levels which if broken would see makret going to halt its trading activity for second time.... but did it happen ???? The so called LEVELS were broken but the markets recoverd and touched only 450 loss on BSE.....
& Here are these shameless guys (after makrkets closed) agian who had the balls to say that their call went wrong 'cos the affirmation given by Fiance Min, SEBI etc... if finally market has to work on affirmation & govt backing why the hell we need to have technical analyst & their lavels...
Sorry for using such a harsh tone but I m fed up with the cock & bull stories of these techical analysts there level fundaaa never seems to hold good for me .... whenever I tried to stick to thier advice I have taken a hit ..... may be I was unlucky, but for me, I Am yet to meet a technical analyst who got his call right on his complicted mathmatcal model ... they first give you some theory & say it would be true & fianally when it backfires they say it is one of those RARE Exceptions.
Azeem
I would go with Warren buffet
Its never been about the age... and i dont understand why you are taking it personally... u were just wrong in ur statement that no one predicted the fall i gave you some live examples which suggest that there would be a fall... thats it there is nothing to take it personnaly..
And books are for those who want to invest in the market but dont know how to do it.. If you are already into trading then there is no need...
I am just saying that dont giv the information without any background coz it can only lead others to confusion.. i dont want to open my cards but ask any one in the market about "Wadbudhe and Vasanker" you will come to know to whome you are talking...
please guys dont take my views personnaly and please dont
express ur views without proof thats all i want to say...
Mr ahmadazeem777 those were intraday views and please try to understand the business Whatever is being said on cnbc is not always correct i explicitely mentioned that Rajat bose expressed his views in his news letter and not on cnbc ... whatever they say on cnbc is all managed... take my word never follow cnbc.. they only discuss the momentum stock that too when it already cross 20-30% ... the reallity is different... i said to read few books only because you dont seem to understand
the wave theory without which i cant express what i want to say... and i am sure that you guys dont have access to the news letters
thats why i tried to give some knowledge to you all... but it seems that you guys believe in contradicting the statements rather than gaining the knowledge
its my mistake that i tried to give some knowledge and forgot that everyone is warren buffet here..
and guys sorry this is my last post here...
And my dear friend every tech analyst predicted the fall moment If i remember the name.. Vivek patil predicted that market might move close to 13000 and then there would be a correction.. then the cnbc guy rajat bose too predicted the moment in his news letters...
FII's sold the money 2 days before market corrected... please get the FII figures... and this is correction and not fall...
ok friend...!
..lets see.......
FII'S have 1.5 BILLION since LAST 10 DAYS.......
the figures are right ...they are on NSE....
they have been selling in cash n buying in futured n creating huge diccounts...n arbitrage GAINS..apart from withdrawing ...
rememver ..WORLD MARKETRS FELL ...they also have redemption pressure from their country clients...so they have to sell where they are in prii n hence they sold....good amout in heap...
but they were just part of reason ..........other big pitfalls were too present!!!
very nice term CORRECTION is................which should imply.....that is
is a smooth process that takes it s own path n time where all the excess supply of stovk is absorbed by the hungry sitting CASH RICH bulls.....the slow side wise movement in a developing market economy gived the dynamics a breathing space..........so money supply in the system balances....!!
BUT wat was these... ........MERE CRASH...!!
Investors don't lose 25% of their portfolio in 5 days on LEVERAGED POSITONS ,...finance minister doesnot chip in .....it doesnot become a news of national importance....!
do i say n defend more...!!.
just to soothe their nerves n hope,,people will say...good..optimistic things.
but a majority of them have suffered bloodily..!.
damage has been done.....those who have money can make merry....now on..
but majority are stuck.......
so even if markets go up next month....it does not take away from the severity of the fall...........................!!lest it will be a techincal bounce only!!
......................
hedger
well....!
....thats the beauty of financial markets...." Difference Of Opinions "!!!
and friend me not takin anything personally..yaar..its just the passion n thought processed energy with which one speaks ,that may sound like it..!
regarding CNBC(india /usa)........i respect n owe most of my concepts.. intuionated opinions.., and even confidence!!........to cnbc.....for providing what no other source of knowledge could do....coz its THE messenger of the .real game ,stock markets..!
editor n anchor..... Udayan Mukherjee is the most brilliant unbiased opinionated mind..on display........coz unlike an analyst ......................,
he doesnot work FOR stock markets..rather...he works ON stock markets..(commentating i.e.):thumbsup:
huh..!!anything do to with markets n its discussion eats ur time n brain:)
hedger
Gys what has happened to ansal prop and infra
as from when i purchased at 1000 it is hitting the lower circuit daily since then
lagta hai mere paisa gaya
Hedger please enquire about the positions first Udayans brother is one of the biggest operator in the market people follow him just like RJ( rakesh jhunzhunwala) and thats y i said before commenting please gain some knowledge...i dont want to comment further on it coz i know no one will understand what i am saying... but if u get time please its a request...look at the charts u will come to know that cnbc is the most biased channel...
regarding FII's
FIIs sold in the spot market but bought aggressively in the derivatives market to hedge their positions. So, the net outflow is only at around $500m (Rs 2,000 crore). This is hardly 15% of their net inflows since January. .........this is enogh news for mkt to rise
now i wont give any explanation coz there is no pt telling the truth here..
Hedger please enquire about the positions first Udayans brother is one of the biggest operator in the market people follow him just like RJ( rakesh jhunzhunwala) and thats y i said before commenting please gain some knowledge...i dont want to comment further on it coz i know no one will understand what i am saying... but if u get time please its a request...look at the charts u will come to know that cnbc is the most biased channel...
regarding FII's
FIIs sold in the spot market but bought aggressively in the derivatives market to hedge their positions. So, the net outflow is only at around $500m (Rs 2,000 crore). This is hardly 15% of their net inflows since January. .........this is enogh news for mkt to rise
now i wont give any explanation coz there is no pt telling the truth here..
Buddy I am sorry ... I think I was little to harsh in my comments... pl dont stop posting... we would love to have diff rent opniniios about markeet... but donot get to stock specific...
Thankx
Azeem
sir is it fine to apply in the 2 ipo now- logistics and the other one@500?
any chance of losing money in these 2??i have very limited money so plz advice
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sir is it fine to apply in the 2 ipo now- logistics and the other one@500?
any chance of losing money in these 2??i have very limited money so plz advice
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boss, what I think is the next good IPO will be of DLF, but if you wish to invest in the market right now, why go to ipo's ? go get the frontline stocks.. they might not give you drastic returns but then you will be pretty safe investing in them. for a new investor in the current market who does not want to take too much risk my advice would be to go for quality stock like infosys, reliance industries or even a bharti televentures. in your case I'll advice reliance industries. just putting money in any ipo will not grantee returns... and if the ipo is really good then boss it gets over subscribed a lot anyway.
P.S. LOOKING AT THE CURRENT MARKET THE CHANCE OF LOOSING MONEY IS VERY HIGH IN EVERY STOCK... WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS.
and guys.... there are some good people here... lets all respect other's opnions and not attack one other. what cud be a good idea is to give opnions and backing it up with some logic. 😃