i think at this low trading it is better to buy shares as we atleast could not sell them all the shares are at their lowest prices so i think it is better to buy them
what say puys
i think at this low trading it is better to buy shares as we atleast could not sell them all the shares are at their lowest prices so i think it is better to buy them
what say puys
Need not be necessarily true... there are shares which are still quoting at high valuations when compared to the Sensex and Nifty like most of the Infra and Capital Goods .... there could be a good amount of correction still to be seen in them... which could mean more down side for the market... this is only my view... there will be a lot of views from lot of ppl.. so think before you invest..
For disclosure: I have personally started buying mid and small cap banks( not a tip to be followed)..
can anyone explain me about small cap midcap etc terms . i hear often of these terms on idiot box (tv)
mahi101987 Sayscan anyone explain me about small cap midcap etc terms . i hear often of these terms on idiot box (tv)
These are terms used to define the market capitalization of a company... Market Capitalization of a company can be found by multiplying the no of outstanding shares or the shares trading at that time in the market along with the share price.
For more terms see: Market capitalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is time to start buying in staggered fashion. Do not commit your total capital at one go at this moment. Buy in phases.
There are still bad news awaited globally. So there is all possiblity of markes going further down and they will surely go further down. But one can start with 10-15% of capital and get into quality stocks which are in oversold zone.
To name the top ones, start buying GMR Infra around 105 (Tremendous company with high future growth visiblity. Into Infra, Airports, Construction, Power, Roads), DCB ( Being sold by Lehman, but DCB is too good a stock to miss investors fancy.So keep a watch on this stock. Currently at 59) Another blue chip is JP Associates (High Beta stock.....Start buying around 170-180...I m highly bullish on this one and there are various reasons....Impending IPO of its subsidiary, Private Placement, Favorable Government in UP and few more facts)
But do keep in mind that more fall in sensex cannot be ruled out. I expect it to touch 14000 or below in coming days. There is too much uncertainity in markets and markets hate uncertainity. To highlight the uncertainities...Look at the following facts:
Crude in range of 135-139 and expected to climb to 150-155 in 10-15 days.
Israel...Iran
Lehman Brothers Bailout
US Policy towards Middle East
Uncertainity in Indian Politics
Fiscal and Monetary Policy unclarity and pressure on Growth
Liquidty Crunch scenario
Auto and Airlines Industry slowdown
There are just too many negatives. So remain cautious but start cherry picking because we all know that growth engine will not stop. It has only one way in future and that is UP...UP and UP.
Cheers
:new_smile-l:
Citi never sleeps :). It needs a sleep :)
Can anybody suggest me website which can give access to stock moment over it's entire history?
ex. i use rediff business to check stock movement, but rediff shows stock chart of last one year only .... what if I want to stock chart for last 3 years or maybe more? where can i get it?
i would also like to know in depth information about market in 2002-03, where can i get all these information? ( plz suggest website other than nse & bse website)
I would also like to know, if there's way to find out value of your money 20 years forwarded(adjusted to inflation etc.& bank rate) ... i mean ... suppose i want to find out to know how much Rs.5000 in 1981 equals to today value?
Can anybody suggest me website which can give access to stock moment over it's entire history?
ex. i use rediff business to check stock movement, but rediff shows stock chart of last one year only .... what if I want to stock chart for last 3 years or maybe more? where can i get it?
i would also like to know in depth information about market in 2002-03, where can i get all these information? ( plz suggest website other than nse & bse website)
I would also like to know, if there's way to find out value of your money 20 years forwarded(adjusted to inflation etc.& bank rate) ... i mean ... suppose i want to find out to know how much Rs.5000 in 1981 equals to today value?
hi Aryan,
you can check moneycontrol.com...especially for the stock specific data which you requre...
they have an option of historic prices for each scrip (both on BSE and NSE)...
you can enter the date 'to and from'...
regarding your other queries i myself don't have an idea about such sites...:-)
hope it helps...
It is time to start buying in staggered fashion. Do not commit your total capital at one go at this moment. Buy in phases.
Any views on VOLTAS. The stock seems to have come out of its downtrend. Held its ground amidst the downward movement of sensex the last day and it seems finding support at 134-136 (NSE) levels.....initially in the day it was finding resistance at 140 but after than breakout it is at 145 at close.
Seems to be in consolidation mood i guess......
Also Cipla is suddenly finding some interest again......seems to be in 5 wave in elliot. i think it has found 4 wave bottom at 200 *NSE. Today seemed to be good fot CIPLA specially because of ranbaxy news. Closed at intraday high so if the mood remains the same tomorrow, this stock should move upwards irrespective of the moodswings of sensex.
Any views on VOLTAS. The stock seems to have come out of its downtrend. Held its ground amidst the downward movement of sensex the last day and it seems finding support at 134-136 (NSE) levels.....initially in the day it was finding resistance at 140 but after than breakout it is at 145 at close.
Voltas, a Tata group company, the market did not take too kindly to the results of Voltas although it was good considering the slowdown in orderbook.
(Net sales rose 26.8% at Rs.3,044.50 crore. Its operating expenses rose 22%. Yet, it managed to post a 76% higher EBIDTA at Rs.293.90 crore. PBT was up 38% at Rs.307.50 crores and PAT rose 12% at Rs.208.30 crore.)
Higher volumes managed to offset the rising prices and this helped its translation into better profits. Its engineering and machine tools division faced some slowdown.
The Company is now looking at acquisitions, mainly in organic business and is scouting around in South Africa, North Africa, Vietnam, Singapore and Middle East.
Its order book was at Rs.800 crore in domestic market and Rs.3,800 crore in international market (So this makes the Company hedged aganist slowdown in a particular region as it has orderbook from across the world). The Company is expecting manpower shortages in current fiscal in overseas market and to retain employees, it is considering pay hikes. (Operating Costs would go up but this will be negated by improving technology and higher margins)
Considering it is one of leading providers of AC's and in engineering services, the growth of retail, banking, IT and upcoming domestic demand from the middle class will help the company to maintain its growth path and margins. Also it is present very heavily in Middle East and along with that in South Africa, US, Singapore etc.
I would say Voltas takes it own time to consolidate, and then when the market turns favorable, it rises sharply. In September 2007, it was quoting at 125 and in December 2007 it rose sharply to 260.
Now again it fell to 130 odd levels few days back which is the long term support and the strongest support. So i think it is an excellent bet at 128-133, and will reward the investors handsome way. I say this because it has excellent management of Tatas which brings faith of global investors, good order book, good geographic diversity of revenues and very low risk.
So one can buy Voltas, and as you mentioned, it is in consolidation mode and a good pick at this time around 130. It is not a trading pick. Other good pick in this sector is Thermax.
:new_smile-l:Citi never sleeps
It needs a sleep :wink:
Markets as expected are very volatile and Nifty is hovering in range of 4430-4600. Don't get very bullish by today's relief rally or technical bounceback and be prepared to see lower levels. Nifty at 4200-4270 seems distinct probability and aggressive traders can take the risk of shorting Nifty around 4560-4600.
Domestically, today RBI hiked the repo rates by 25bps and gave signal of further rate hikes and CRR hike. Friday Inflation numbers are also coming which may dampen the spirits of Bulls.
Globally Oil is again around $138 today, and that may hammer the markets tommorow or on Friday. DOW is all set to break 12000 in near term and also can reach more lower levels. Oil may give spikes and touch $160, so that will be gloomy for global markets.
Considering this Sensex can fall to 14000 levels in near future. So in such uncertainity it is better not to commit all ypur capital at one shot, instead Buy in staggered fashion so that you get hold of some Blue chips at good prices.
Stay Cautious :xmas:
Citi never sleeps :new_smile-l: It needs a sleep 😃
In the next few days, sectors and stocks that may take the hit in case of bearish sentiments are:
DLF (DLF 480 PUT@ 14 looks good to me) & Unitech in real estate
ICICI Bank & HDFC Bank
BHEL, LT
I m basically talking about NIFTY components. Outside Nifty stocks like Akruti City, HDIL, Axis Bank, Kotak Mahindra Bank, RNRL, Reliance Capital, Bombay Dyeing, Fertilizers will be very volatile.
Best way when you are not sure is to remain away. You will get numerous opportunities in markets to earn. Patience is the biggest virtue in stock markets.
Cheers
:xmas:
"Stocks don't sell for what they are worth, they sell for what people think they are worth" :new_smile-l:
Hi Guys,
I am using Reliance money.
In my inbox i found mails regarding some "DP transaction bill". I guess they are charging me around 12 per transaction (mostly sell orders). Are they considering all my orders as "assisted orders" .
Can anyone tell me whats its about.
And also they would cahrge Rs 50 for every 10 pages of some DIS :confused:.
Hi Guys,
I am using Reliance money.
In my inbox i found mails regarding some "DP transaction bill". I guess they are charging me around 12 per transaction (mostly sell orders). Are they considering all my orders as "assisted orders" .
Can anyone tell me whats its about.
And also they would cahrge Rs 50 for every 10 pages of some DIS :confused:.
Take a print of your contracts and clarify with your point of contact in Reliance Money. Dont trust younger Ambani (Anil)!
hi puys,
i am currently using ICICIdirect...
here i am being charged around 0.9 % for delivery...which easily rounds off to 1%...
can you plz suggest any other service with low brokerage charges...
hi puys,
i am currently using ICICIdirect...
here i am being charged around 0.9 % for delivery...which easily rounds off to 1%...
can you plz suggest any other service with low brokerage charges...
Any of the following:
India Infoline
Indiabulls
Sharekhan
They will charge you 0.3%-0.5% for delivery on one side. In ICICI Direct also they charge you 0.95% on one side of the transaction. They also charge annual maintenance fee.
So you can save your commision by opening account with them. Also if you are a trader, those brokerage will suit your purpose. ICICI Direct converts share into delivery after 2-4 days which is too much time for a trader. If you are an investor, then brokerages should not matter much to you and anyaccount will serve your purpose.
Cheers!!
Any of the following:
India Infoline
Indiabulls
Sharekhan
They will charge you 0.3%-0.5% for delivery on one side. In ICICI Direct also they charge you 0.95% on one side of the transaction. They also charge annual maintenance fee.
So you can save your commision by opening account with them. Also if you are a trader, those brokerage will suit your purpose. ICICI Direct converts share into delivery after 2-4 days which is too much time for a trader. If you are an investor, then brokerages should not matter much to you and anyaccount will serve your purpose.
Cheers!!
hi Lightning,
thanx for the reply...
actually our demat accounts were opened free of cost with our salary accounts by ICICI...
at the time of opening...we weren't charged any amount...and same has continued for 2 years...
also in this time i have just taken an investor's approach and very few times that of a trader...
now as i am quite confident about the same i decided to get another one opened for trading purposes...
can you please suggest me regarding the online interface these services use...i have seen that ICICIdirect has a great interface based on asp's...
i saw reliance money...they have a java applet window interface which seems to be quite slow...
what are your opinions regarding the services you mentioned...(or is it the thing that the interface doesn't matter at all?)
hi Lightning,
thanx for the reply...
actually our demat accounts were opened free of cost with our salary accounts by ICICI...
at the time of opening...we weren't charged any amount...and same has continued for 2 years...
also in this time i have just taken an investor's approach and very few times that of a trader...
now as i am quite confident about the same i decided to get another one opened for trading purposes...
can you please suggest me regarding the online interface these services use...i have seen that ICICIdirect has a great interface based on asp's...
i saw reliance money...they have a java applet window interface which seems to be quite slow...
what are your opinions regarding the services you mentioned...(or is it the thing that the interface doesn't matter at all?)
I do not trade through online services but I have heard Religare is pretty good... I guess most of the providers use either Odin or Neat... I personally feel Odin is good ...
hi Lightning,
thanx for the reply...
actually our demat accounts were opened free of cost with our salary accounts by ICICI...
at the time of opening...we weren't charged any amount...and same has continued for 2 years...
also in this time i have just taken an investor's approach and very few times that of a trader...
now as i am quite confident about the same i decided to get another one opened for trading purposes...
can you please suggest me regarding the online interface these services use...i have seen that ICICIdirect has a great interface based on asp's...
i saw reliance money...they have a java applet window interface which seems to be quite slow...
what are your opinions regarding the services you mentioned...(or is it the thing that the interface doesn't matter at all?)
ICICI direct has a good interface, but it is not close to real time. Although Indiabulls, Infoline have java applets, they are much more real time and you can view the market price of selected scrips at one go which is close to real time. ICICI direct is not at all recommended for trading.
As for NEAT and ODIN, Odin is more user friendly but NEAT terminal is the fastest as it is linked to NSE server ( NEAT is NSE software) while ODIN (Customized software) is linked to NEAT and there is a millisecond difference which may not be visible or relevant to us but that millisecond matters to arbitrageurs. Still many prefer to use ODIN as it is more user friendly and can be linked to excel sheet and can be customized according to our needs. While working on ODIN u will feel u r working on Windows platform, and while working on NEAT u will get a feeling of working on DOS platform.
Cheers!!
:new_smile-l:
news spicjet wamns to sell out and asking for 1250 crore from jet
but current market cap of spicejet is 700 crores
how can they demand 1200 crores when they know they r on verge of extinction??????:lookroun:
how these airlines r valued man??????????????
i came to know most airline stocks In US/UK r down 80-90% last 1 yr
these airlineas have no assets , just leased planes
i think these low cost airlines will sink and also make big airlines sink as well
Valuation of airlines is a difficult task. Both tangible and intangible assets are taken into consideration. There are major cost component of an airline:
Jet Fuel (Increasing fuel cost acts like a double edged sword)
Staff Costs
Taxes
Commission
All these cost components ultimately affect the profitability. As of now, the top three components are increasing drastically; thereby airlines are a loss making industry.
Revenue is contributed by Load Factor (Percentage of seats sold). Now due to increasing costs of air tickets, load factor will not increase. Due to rising fuel costs and inflation, airlines have to face increase tax component from government as well as buying power of consumer goes down. This automatically negatively affects the total revenue of an airline. Thus in present situation, increasing fuel costs is acting like a double edged sword: Increasing the Cost component as well as decreasing revenue generation. This is the reason why many small airlines across the globe have been sold out or gone bankrupt.
While valuation of airlines, various aspects are looked upon:
Number of routes in which it operates
Load Factor across those routes (Mumbai-New Delhi is considered the 5th busiest route in world) and propensity to fly. Total revenue per passenger, Yield, Unit costs, Seat cost, Break even load factor are some of the terms considered
Number of owned and leased airlines
International License (Kingfisher went for Deccan because Deccan was the key through which it can get International license as Deccan had almost 5 years completion of domestic operations near)
General Economic indicators such as spending power of people, inflation, jet fuel costs etc as all of these would play their part in calculation of final revenue being expected from the airline
Finally and most important all the financials come into play such as free cash flow generated by the airline, Peer group Analysis based on revenue, EBIT, Net profit, Employees, Passengers, Aircrafts owned& leased, and seat load factor, P/E analysis, EV/Sales, EV/EBITDA etc.
Risks involved are fuel cost, Rapid deterioration of demand during wars such as Iraq war, 9/11 attack etc, cyclical earnings and competitors.
Cheers!!
:clap:
Valuation of airlines is a difficult task. Both tangible and intangible assets are taken into consideration. There are major cost component of an airline:
Jet Fuel (Increasing fuel cost acts like a double edged sword)
Staff Costs
Taxes
Commission
All these cost components ultimately affect the profitability. As of now, the top three components are increasing drastically; thereby airlines are a loss making industry.
Revenue is contributed by Load Factor (Percentage of seats sold). Now due to increasing costs of air tickets, load factor will not increase. Due to rising fuel costs and inflation, airlines have to face increase tax component from government as well as buying power of consumer goes down. This automatically negatively affects the total revenue of an airline. Thus in present situation, increasing fuel costs is acting like a double edged sword: Increasing the Cost component as well as decreasing revenue generation. This is the reason why many small airlines across the globe have been sold out or gone bankrupt.
While valuation of airlines, various aspects are looked upon:
Number of routes in which it operates
Load Factor across those routes (Mumbai-New Delhi is considered the 5th busiest route in world) and propensity to fly. Total revenue per passenger, Yield, Unit costs, Seat cost, Break even load factor are some of the terms considered
Number of owned and leased airlines
International License (Kingfisher went for Deccan because Deccan was the key through which it can get International license as Deccan had almost 5 years completion of domestic operations near)
General Economic indicators such as spending power of people, inflation, jet fuel costs etc as all of these would play their part in calculation of final revenue being expected from the airline
Finally and most important all the financials come into play such as free cash flow generated by the airline, Peer group Analysis based on revenue, EBIT, Net profit, Employees, Passengers, Aircrafts owned& leased, and seat load factor, P/E analysis, EV/Sales, EV/EBITDA etc.
Risks involved are fuel cost, Rapid deterioration of demand during wars such as Iraq war, 9/11 attack etc, cyclical earnings and competitors.
Cheers!!
:clap:
Each word wrote in previous post, seems so true! Thanks for the post !!
I expected that you will be on PG...the day I started writing on Equity Markets thread. Your inputs are valuable for everyone (count me in 😁 )