International educational options beyond the MBA

Hi Guys,

This is by far the most interesting thread I have read.

If you can help me out too that would be wonderful.

Background:
I'm a Bcom grad with specialization in Computers(I was the lucky 😞 to get this and be part of only two or three batches that got this. No Maths in any of the three years or Stats) but to compensate I did have stats in PUC.

I have currently been working for a Major IB Bank for the last 5 years(First Job), I'm currently managing about 4 teams with a total strength of 15 people, my roles and responsibilities include Business management and people management. To give more of my background I have been in Operations ranging from Reconciliations, Settlements, Pre-settlements, Claims, dividends and coupons(In short Pure Investment Banking operations). I work for the US markets currently but I have worked for European and Asian clients in the past so totally a completely global domain. I have also run many projects in the teams that has brought the team strength down by 5 people in the last two years and over the 5 years almost 10 people(In short, I'm the productivity man). My knowledge is based on the markets and how the backend works, I also interact a lot with the clients.

I'm stated to get promoted to the next level very soon and I'm sure if I decide to stick around I will get it by the end of this year, but that is not what I want to be doing, though it looks good but people management does not entice me at all.

Goals:

I would like to do my CFA in the near future and advance in the IB world possibly as a trader/portfolio manager/client rep or go into venture capital(I know they don't relate but that's where I would like to be eventually-Long term), But I do understand that my maths is very rusted right now and I need some focus around this, hence I looked up on some of the courses that UK uni offer(CFA Partner Program), MBA is out of the window for now as I do not want to give GMAT and it really does not strike cord. The courses that interest me are more or less MSC Finance, MSC finance and investments(whatever they are called in other uni's).

My List of colleges are below

Warwick Business school(First choice)
Manchester Business School(Second Choice)
Durham
Edinburgh
Strathclyde
Lanchester
Reading

Considering that Warwick and Manchester will be very very tough for me to get into considering my Maths background which college do you think I should join(Provided I get a call from them), I have hardly read anything about them except for Durham that features in a couple of posts.

Thanks mate.
Hi Guys,

This is by far the most interesting thread I have read.

If you can help me out too that would be wonderful.

Background:
I'm a Bcom grad with specialization in Computers(I was the lucky 😞 to get this and be part of only two or three batches that got this. No Maths in any of the three years or Stats) but to compensate I did have stats in PUC.

I have currently been working for a Major IB Bank for the last 5 years(First Job), I'm currently managing about 4 teams with a total strength of 15 people, my roles and responsibilities include Business management and people management. To give more of my background I have been in Operations ranging from Reconciliations, Settlements, Pre-settlements, Claims, dividends and coupons(In short Pure Investment Banking operations). I work for the US markets currently but I have worked for European and Asian clients in the past so totally a completely global domain. I have also run many projects in the teams that has brought the team strength down by 5 people in the last two years and over the 5 years almost 10 people(In short, I'm the productivity man). My knowledge is based on the markets and how the backend works, I also interact a lot with the clients.

I'm stated to get promoted to the next level very soon and I'm sure if I decide to stick around I will get it by the end of this year, but that is not what I want to be doing, though it looks good but people management does not entice me at all.

Goals:

I would like to do my CFA in the near future and advance in the IB world possibly as a trader/portfolio manager/client rep or go into venture capital(I know they don't relate but that's where I would like to be eventually-Long term), But I do understand that my maths is very rusted right now and I need some focus around this, hence I looked up on some of the courses that UK uni offer(CFA Partner Program), MBA is out of the window for now as I do not want to give GMAT and it really does not strike cord. The courses that interest me are more or less MSC Finance, MSC finance and investments(whatever they are called in other uni's).

My List of colleges are below

Warwick Business school(First choice)
Manchester Business School(Second Choice)
Durham
Edinburgh
Strathclyde
Lanchester
Reading

Considering that Warwick and Manchester will be very very tough for me to get into considering my Maths background which college do you think I should join(Provided I get a call from them), I have hardly read anything about them except for Durham that features in a couple of posts.

Thanks mate.

Your question has too much data. I suggest that next time you ask a question in a manner which other people will be willing to answer. Common reaction in this case would be look, throw hands up and move on. I will answer one thing I caught in my scan of your question.

I assume you want to work in London because no one really cares about European MBA in US. Also, it helps if your MBA program is approved for tier 1 immigration in UK.

TRADER/PORTFOLIO MANAGER:

I know about top investment banks. They typically hire from premium schools such as LBS and US MBA programs. Otherwise, they promote analysts through their ranks. Being very good with math and love for the markets are basic necessities.

To be a trader, MBA is not necessary in many cases. It is an instinctive thing - either you know how to make money, or you don't. Often MBAs are employed in structuring or trading complex products - all require exceptional math skills. They are also employed in sales - requires exceptional salesmanship - to convince canny investors.

All the best.

Hi Vigil,

On the contrary, i do not want to do an MBA, apologies for not being clear in the first place.
I wanted to know for MS finance/investments(CFA partner programs) which of the below universities are good and which should be my choice provided i do not get an offer from Warwick and Manchester.

Durham
Edinburgh
Strathclyde
Lanchester
Reading

Hi Vigil,

On the contrary, i do not want to do an MBA, apologies for not being clear in the first place.
I wanted to know for MS finance/investments(CFA partner programs) which of the below universities are good and which should be my choice provided i do not get an offer from Warwick and Manchester.

Durham
Edinburgh
Strathclyde
Lanchester
Reading

I suggest that whatever master's program you choose, make sure tier 1 immigration is easy with that program. Go to UK's immigration website, and figure out the rules.

Secondly, make sure your target companies hire at those schools for your target role - not just once in a while, but on a regular basis, Pick up the phone to their admissions office and alumni.
@virgil-speak

I read some of your posts. I do want to appear for GMAT and go for MBA. I am spending time on sentence corrections but it is not going anywhere. Without reading the options I can't budge further - can't know what is wrong with the sentence - would like to ask you how do I learn fundamentals for sentence correction? I am sorry if the question is in the wrong forum but I wanted an opinion from you.
@virgil-speak

I read some of your posts. I do want to appear for GMAT and go for MBA. I am spending time on sentence corrections but it is not going anywhere. Without reading the options I can't budge further - can't know what is wrong with the sentence - would like to ask you how do I learn fundamentals for sentence correction? I am sorry if the question is in the wrong forum but I wanted an opinion from you.

First, appearing for GMAT is a very small part of the overall application process - and in many cases just something you have to do because they are asking you to do it. Depending on your profile, it may or may not be a valuable exercise.

Second, I am not the best person who can help you with this. So far as I am concerned, GMAT was the easiest part so I was never in the trouble you are in and I know nothing of how to get out of it.
You need to ask someone who was at your level, overcame your difficulties and did well. You will be able to get sufficient help on other threads. If even that doesn't work, I suggest you find a good teacher with expertise in this field - which unfortunately might charge you an arm and a leg.

All the best! When you are ready to apply - you are most welcome to ask me questions.
First, appearing for GMAT is a very small part of the overall application process - and in many cases just something you have to do because they are asking you to do it. Depending on your profile, it may or may not be a valuable exercise.

Second, I am not the best person who can help you with this. So far as I am concerned, GMAT was the easiest part so I was never in the trouble you are in and I know nothing of how to get out of it.
You need to ask someone who was at your level, overcame your difficulties and did well. You will be able to get sufficient help on other threads. If even that doesn't work, I suggest you find a good teacher with expertise in this field - which unfortunately might charge you an arm and a leg.

All the best! When you are ready to apply - you are most welcome to ask me questions.

@virgil-speak

Thank you for your response. I want to do an MBA from any of top 10 schools. I have B.Tech from from a good engineering school in India and an MS from US. I have 4 years of work ex with a top Japanese MNC in the US. The reason why I am telling you this is because you said "depending on your profile, it may or may not be a valuable exercise". Does this mean I don't necessarily need a too good GMAT score for admits? Based on your experience what kind of range should I target? I am sorry my question is without research but will really appreciate your inputs.
@virgil-speak

Thank you for your response. I want to do an MBA from any of top 10 schools. I have B.Tech from from a good engineering school in India and an MS from US. I have 4 years of work ex with a top Japanese MNC in the US. The reason why I am telling you this is because you said "depending on your profile, it may or may not be a valuable exercise". Does this mean I don't necessarily need a too good GMAT score for admits? Based on your experience what kind of range should I target? I am sorry my question is without research but will really appreciate your inputs.

GMAC says that, "In repeated research studies, GMAT scores have been found to be an accurate predictor of academic success in the first year of an MBA". It is nothing more than that. If you have other ways of showing that you can be academically successful - that works well too in lieu of GMAT scores. For example an IIT JEE AIR 1 who has a CGPA of 10 will be able to easily convince the admissions committee that her poor GMAT score of 590 is just an aberration and should be ignored. At the same time a GMAT score of 800 may not help a person who has poor academic record throughout her career. Therefore, the GMAT score is best looked in the overall context of your academic background.
virgil-speak Says
GMAC says that, "In repeated research studies, GMAT scores have been found to be an accurate predictor of academic success in the first year of an MBA". It is nothing more than that. If you have other ways of showing that you can be academically successful - that works well too in lieu of GMAT scores. For example an IIT JEE AIR 1 who has a CGPA of 10 will be able to easily convince the admissions committee that her poor GMAT score of 590 is just an aberration and should be ignored. At the same time a GMAT score of 800 may not help a person who has poor academic record throughout her career. Therefore, the GMAT score is best looked in the overall context of your academic background.

@virgil-speak

Thanks again. I couldn't ask for a better explanation.

Do you think 1-year executive MBA programs and 2-year full-time course has same opportunities in terms of placements in good B-Schools? Assuming the person going for 1-year and 2-year program has same amount of work ex

Hi,
I am a final year computer science engineer with good acads
Xth & XII 90%
College 86%
I have also got an IIM b call in CAY 09, but am not that optimistic.
From a few frnds, i heard abt Ms in eng mgmt from good college in US like brown, duke, nortwestern etc.
Can u tell me the scope for this course( i being a fresher and it is a one yr course).
Thank u in advance

@virgil-speak

Thanks again. I couldn't ask for a better explanation.

Do you think 1-year executive MBA programs and 2-year full-time course has same opportunities in terms of placements in good B-Schools? Assuming the person going for 1-year and 2-year program has same amount of work ex

A short answer is no! A Ferrari with a Ferrari engine is the real Ferrari. However, depending on specific circumstances - the answer might change.

I gave an answer in the following link comparing part-time programs with full-time programs. Will give you an overview of important considerations and directional answer.

http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/international-indian-mba-schools-accepting/52565-foreign-mba-aspirants-ask-booth-2.html#post2029698

@Virgil-speak

Great! Again, no more doubts about part time vs. full time.

Are you working in Mid-West? Independent Consultant?

@Virgil-speak

Great! Again, no more doubts about part time vs. full time.

Are you working in Mid-West? Independent Consultant?

I am based out of India. All the best for your MBA apps! Be committed to it, write a good app, and trust in your luck!

Hi everyone,

I am planning to apply for the MBus Global Business Analysis course in Manchester Business School. Its one of their specialist masters. So, if anyone has any info about the course and its prospects, plz let me know.

Thank you.

I want to do PHD in human physcology ( post MBA ). can someone please suggest good univ in those specialization .

I am passionate about topic such as
1) what makes people happy
2) what motivates people


I seriously want to try and reduce the number of depressed people in the world .

pd0483 Says
Hi everyone, I am planning to apply for the MBus Global Business Analysis course in Manchester Business School. Its one of their specialist masters. So, if anyone has any info about the course and its prospects, plz let me know. Thank you.


Good university and a good business school. Prospects from the program depend on a lot of things, starting with what you want to do once you graduate. Why have you chosen the course?
I want to do PHD in human physcology ( post MBA ). can someone please suggest good univ in those specialization .

I am passionate about topic such as
1) what makes people happy
2) what motivates people

I seriously want to try and reduce the number of depressed people in the world


I hope your admissions essay would be more convincing and specific compared to the last line in your post. Anyway - look at the Ph.D offerings in Psychology and HRM in some of the top universities in the US and UK. In the US, they'll tend to be attached to the best business schools, while in the UK it tends to be University of London, University College London, Kings College London etc, LSE etc..

HI puys,

I want to do a masters course from outside.

My proflie is :

BE computers : 59%
Work EX: 4 years in a BPO
Currently working as sr. Team Leader(operations)

Can some body please suggest me which masters course will suite my profile apart from MBA

Hi Puys,

I am planning to apply to Msc Management in UK varsitites such as Strathclyde and lancaster. I am really curious to know how good they are (though i know that their MBA is really good, but what about Msc in Management)and also want to know about the placements after completing the course. Is it worth spending that much (Rs 17-18 Lakh) and go there for this course.
My profile:
B.Tech- 72.16%
10th - 79%
12- 78%

Kindly advice. thanks in advance.

HI puys, I want to do a masters course from outside.
My proflie is :

BE computers : 59%
Work EX: 4 years in a BPO
Currently working as sr. Team Leader(operations)

Can some body please suggest me which masters course will suite my profile apart from MBA


Vague statement, wrong question! Masters courses are not made / chosen to suit your profile - they're chosen based on what you want to do going forward. What are your career goals. Articulate those and you will get specific advice.

- What do you want to do (function)?
- What industry / type of company would you like to work in?
- Where (geography) would you like to work after the masters?

Think these over, and post again.

All the best