Equity Markets

hey puys,
m novice in stock market.
Iwant to invest 50 k initially .
m looking for long term ( though not more than 1 yr )

so where should I invest it ?

another querry , which one would be better ?
mutual fund or fixed deposit or post savings ?

c investing in mutual fund, fixed deposit or post office depends on ur risk appetite and the returns u wan........ mutual funds do not assures u returns but although it gives higher return than fixed deposit or post office.also fixed deposit and post offices assures u return on investment...............

as per ur risk appetite u should invest...........

Going by the quarterly results announced till now, do not expect any earnings upgrades this quarter.

Consequently, the markets are expected to continue its sideways range-bound movement in August also.

In the mid-cap space, the movement would turn more stock specific and it would be advisable to be more cautious while trading in the momentum stocks.

Foreign institutional investors (FIIs) continued its investment in India for the second straight month, as it bought stocks worth Rs16,617.30 crore in July.
The domestic institutional investors continued to remain net sellers and sold shares worth Rs4,231.30 crore.

hey.m not sure if this is the right place to post my query.could someone guide me about any sort of course on financial education n stock markets...n are there any prerequisites for it..i have an engineering background but i want to study n learn about finance.a book would do,too but i'v heard about such course being there. thanks

very short term and nationally, gold may fall but in the medium term it will gain because of liquidity and credit crisis in banks all over the world. unless all fears of sovereign defaults go away gold will rise up in the medium term.


Question when do people choose gold over other forms of security and you will get your answers.


well am not expert on this but..
gold is not an abundantly available metal..demand for this always there..
in indian scenario..with our growing population..so many marriages to go on..demand for this metal is always there..I know it is silly to talk about marriages..just being analytical..
gold is still used by central banks as deposits..
historically gold has not fallen drastically..yea when equity markets surged..it took lil hit..but in the last 10yrs..when equity markets have been highly uncertain..gold has positioned itself strongly...now even a kid thinks gold is a safe investment..so when is there is growin awareness..again there is increase in demand...
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but dude why do u want to buy gold metal..when we have ETFs available ready...no one can rob them from u..safe investment it is.. I personally bought some 120gms gold from my savings..in 2008 @ 8000/10gm..now I gained more than the sensex from then..at that time there were no ETFs..I wanted them desperately..
Wish there were Silver and Copper ETFs also...
well am not expert on this but..
gold is not an abundantly available metal..demand for this always there..
in indian scenario..with our growing population..so many marriages to go on..demand for this metal is always there..I know it is silly to talk about marriages..just being analytical..
gold is still used by central banks as deposits..
historically gold has not fallen drastically..yea when equity markets surged..it took lil hit..but in the last 10yrs..when equity markets have been highly uncertain..gold has positioned itself strongly...now even a kid thinks gold is a safe investment..so when is there is growin awareness..again there is increase in demand...
..
but dude why do u want to buy gold metal..when we have ETFs available ready...no one can rob them from u..safe investment it is.. I personally bought some 120gms gold from my savings..in 2008 @ 8000/10gm..now I gained more than the sensex from then..at that time there were no ETFs..I wanted them desperately..
Wish there were Silver and Copper ETFs also...



bro r u sure u bought it in 2008..............coz i think gold was above 10000/10gm mark in 2008................
urvashi.kapale Says
hey.m not sure if this is the right place to post my query.could someone guide me about any sort of course on financial education n stock markets...n are there any prerequisites for it..i have an engineering background but i want to study n learn about finance.a book would do,too but i'v heard about such course being there. thanks


Well to start of you can visit the NSE website

http://www.nse-india.com/content/ncfm/ncfm_modules.htm

and download the Financial Market Beginner's Module exam pdf.
Its written in a very concise and simple way for easy understanding
appurvkathuria Says
bro r u sure u bought it in 2008..............coz i think gold was above 10000/10gm mark in 2008................



well I meant around that time..dint say which date..I was in Saudi during 2007-08..so I bought for 8xxx..something dont remem the exact figure
well am not expert on this but..
gold is not an abundantly available metal..demand for this always there..
in indian scenario..with our growing population..so many marriages to go on..demand for this metal is always there..I know it is silly to talk about marriages..just being analytical..
gold is still used by central banks as deposits..
historically gold has not fallen drastically..yea when equity markets surged..it took lil hit..but in the last 10yrs..when equity markets have been highly uncertain..gold has positioned itself strongly...now even a kid thinks gold is a safe investment..so when is there is growin awareness..again there is increase in demand...
..
but dude why do u want to buy gold metal..when we have ETFs available ready...no one can rob them from u..safe investment it is.. I personally bought some 120gms gold from my savings..in 2008 @ 8000/10gm..now I gained more than the sensex from then..at that time there were no ETFs..I wanted them desperately..
Wish there were Silver and Copper ETFs also...


ETFs rule...much more tradeable and nicer.

1)The instrinsic value of gold (which is why investors invest in gold when market is volatile) - i.e. you don't know if stock or bond x will rise or fall but you do know that Gold is a safe bet and hence market goes to Gold-an Economic commodity.

2)People buy and use gold as a common commodity

The plain idea is simple, Gold is beyond just a commodity and we consider it as an investment as well.

Gold is great, when things like 2008 financial debacle happens. Not so great otherwise because there are places (financial markets) where one can get much much higher returns.


The price in 2008 would have gone up for 3 reasons

1)International pricing pressure because investors had started to invest in gold from equity and debt since market was very scared.

2)Same is true for Indian investors who might have bought into the fear.

3)Domestically speaking, we didn't have all that much of an "economic crisis" so the demand for gold was up due to demand side pressure.

as a thumb rule, gold prices will go up as the volatility goes up and will go down as volatility goes down. Demand and supply of domestic gold market is more wavey (or has cycles) which can be easily be benefitted from.


Added Late-> Infact this historical relationship of gold with volatility can be dated back to Napoleonic wars and renaissance as well :D
Its a long story, if someone Really wants to know then PM me.
ABCLIKS Says
Anyone applying for SKS Microfinance IPO.....? I think its gonna be IPO of 2010. Though they hv priced it at a highly rich PE, still considering the growth in last 3 years; I think one should get handsome returns on listing....


SKS got listed and already up by 30% over issue price! 30 % in 20 days ! Not bad!
ABCLIKS Says
SKS got listed and already up by 30% over issue price! 30 % in 20 days ! Not bad!

It's still a bull market. IPO's are great for quick and easy gains, just a little ground work required for validating the stock.

My queries-
1. During recession, if everybody was losing money, then who was gaining?
2. Only free-floating shares are traded. When market is bullish, Then who will sell? Are then shares sold from company to public or bought-sold between public? Which fool would sell during bullish market?
3. I don't understand price change due to demand-supply. I know prices changes in real time i.e. per second, but how? Demand is more and supply less will lead to price rise, but to what extent? What's the math? Does bse use any software?
4. When satyam share prices reached 8-9 rupees, why didn't it go to 0? Had it reached 0, satyam would have shut down? Or they had only some % of their shares in market?
Which is they best site for queries and info? Finance30, investopedia (no forum), better than them? Hey self-proclaimed fin. Experts, please solve my naive query! Please don't speculate or try.

My queries-
1. During recession, if everybody was losing money, then who was gaining?

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Amazon.com: The Greatest Trade Ever: The Behind-the-Scenes Story
The Ideas Report For Serious Investors: George Soros On His Performance In 2008
other queries left for you to google


found nothing in links. Please tell the mechanism yaar.
I am not asking particularly about the recent recession, but any recession, depression, when everybody loses money, who gains?
Other queries, I would have googled, If they could be easily.
My queries-
1. During recession, if everybody was losing money, then who was gaining?


There isn't a single answer for this. One of them could be that when prices are going down, people can short to make money. Also, not all industries are affected during a recession. Some industries did reasonably well during that period and if one can identify such sectors/stocks, he can make money.


2. Only free-floating shares are traded. When market is bullish, Then who will sell? Are then shares sold from company to public or bought-sold between public? Which fool would sell during bullish market?


Wrong assumption. Even during a bull run, there would be some people who would think the run would continue, some would think it's about to get over, while some others would think they have achieved their targets in terms of profit. So the people who don't belong to the first group would be willing to sell whereas the others would buy.


3. I don't understand price change due to demand-supply. I know prices changes in real time i.e. per second, but how? Demand is more and supply less will lead to price rise, but to what extent? What's the math? Does bse use any software?


Price changes per second just because trading happens real time. If for stock A, trading doesn't take place for 15 mins, its price would remain the same for that period. The price of any stock is the price of the last trade. So if A is trading at Rs. 200 and the next trade is at Rs. 220, it would immediately rise to Rs. 220, although such differences are rarely seen practically.


4. When satyam share prices reached 8-9 rupees, why didn't it go to 0? Had it reached 0, satyam would have shut down? Or they had only some % of their shares in market?


A price point of zero is an ideal situation where no one, absolutely no one wants to buy that share, which is very difficult. At some point or the other, people would start thinking that the stock is attractive to buy again and when the buy volumes start picking up, prices cease to fall.
ok, Thanks! I had doubt more about general economy rather than stock market. My guess
was this- recession- everybody bearish keeping money safe- less funds for companies, industries, agriculture etc- less production, layoffs etc. How right is my guess and how related to stock markets? Also i don't think there are equal profiteers and losers in recession, if you indicated so. It should be related to economy.
My other query about algorithm for real time price change remains.



Hi friend, I have read alot of your questions and i would like to suggest that you should go and read stuff on your own. Nothing is more important thatn first hand knowledge.

I will answer some of your other questions in a following post. I will tyr and simplify some things to you.

I will tell you one very interesting thing though -> You are asking very basic and important questions that most people forget to ask 😁
Manik Garg Says
ok, Thanks! Sorry for deviating from equity markets, but I had doubt more about general economy rather than stock market.

Hello Manik, either you are too damn lazy or...

Why do I have to explain you what is there in those links? you should have read yourself.

And even asking the same question second time you did not care to read it.

Those are the biggest hedge fund managers on earth who invest in more types of asset classes than you can ever think of. That book is one of the most fascinating reads on asset management.

@manik well u can read "THe big short" by michael lewis...which explains who made the kill in 2008 recession. The way i see it..bond market failure led to the equity market failure. The banks(AIG,Lehman) were left with no money when mortgage linked bonds defaulted .This triggered fear among equity market participants .
People like Paulson,Mike burry(scion hedge fund) who betted against market benefitted. So did goldman sachs which smartly packed junk bonds and sold them.well m going a little off topic here....(read da book to know more..interesting read i bet).
No wonder US firms r sitting on a pile of trillions of $$ today and playin safe..

I dont think it was directed at me, but, 'if most firms are sitting on piles of cash' it wont be called a recession, isnt it? :D

anyone reading even the most general book will agree that most investment banks and the financial sector in general (in US) lost hugely during recessions.

Paul Tudor, Paulson, Soros, Lewis, were few who made money during that time. And BTW Paul Tudor started as a clerk in his career.



Thats what I said :D


About firms sitting on top of piles of cash, it is not exactly correct. Very few firms if any made a huge kill out of the credit crisis. Understanding economics more deeply will definitely bring home this point.


The thing is a lot of people are romanticizing with the idea that some people got all the money and went away, This myth has been exaggerated disproportionately.

And about some people making money while the chips were down ethically are the most economically sound minds of the world. Look at Soros, He basically made the pound devalue itself 9and make 1 billion for himself by the way) within a span of 24 hours, infact 6 hours of an evening. He was able to do it because he knew what he was doing and understood the implications of things.

Everything in the market is an opportunity only if you know how to use it in your favour.

A bad recession takes atleast 5 years for recovery. Scary statistics is still around.

See here for a lot of graphics: Guest Post: Preserve and Protect: Mapping The Tipping Points | zero hedge

CDO/CDS were never part of loans...infact goldman sachs devised them so that others(paulson,mike burry ) cud bet against(short) mortgage loans. (Remember goldman ,paulson + SEC + 750 million $$ scandal?) because thats how you short bonds unlike equity where shorting means selling nd buying back the same day.
Ofcourse they were never part of the loans :
I meant to say CDO/CDS weren't used for the purpose they were supposed to be used. They were abused beyond wildest imagination and then that behaviour was passed down to the common commercial banks and the end user as well. In totality, its a recipe for disaster.

At the same time, I don't think anyone can squarely blame people because they devised them. Also, it not factually correct. CDOs have been there since late 1980's and were devised by other people. The problem is not with such financial pills but with their usage and abuse of anything will lead to bad results. Also, The easiest thing to do in the world is to blame things on other people and never look where where other guys went wrong. We shouldn't question who did it (they should be punished), but why it was done and how could the behaviour not existed in the first place.

firms are sitting on pile of cash nowww...yes its true guys. They are reluctant to spend even after coming back in green.
Thats called investing confidence. No one will have that unless they are sure that there is no crisis.
Firms are hoarding cash for different reasons, the article has nothing to do with financial crisis in real terms. Its a decision that is dependent on many many factors which depend on the country of the company, strategy of the company and many other factors. You can't just make companies spend money because you want them to.
I wouldn't have spent the cash myself unless I knew it would make truck loads of more money.
We can't just wish " For recovery to proceed smoothly, firms must stop hoarding cash", We have to realise why are they behaving that way. Why it is that they are hoarding? When do people hoard? People hoard when they are afraid and unsure. The firms are unsure of what to do with the money. whats the behavioural reason for this? These are the important questions.

The loan rates were lowest only for a duration of loan....infact they were called teaser loans wherein borrowers had to pay negligible amount to bank for first 2 years..and then the demon of compounding wud creep up to haunt them wid hefty installments to pay.in short these loans were made to go bust.Those who were selling them knew it will eat somebody else's balance sheet as they could bundle the loans into mortgage bonds and sell them off.
What you are talking about is the common man's commercial loan rate
What I am talking about is the federal reserve rate :D
There are many rates of interest in the world, by far the most important of them is the US fed Rate, that was at an all time low of 40 years. This has created problems and will continue to do so because the interest rate is irrational and will create a loopsided market. Some of it has happened and some more will happen.

About teaser rates, ofcourse, but then thats what a floating rate policy is.
Teaser is when you add marketing brilliance to such financial wizardry. The trouble is whom are you suppose to blame? The commercial banks because they were trying to get more customers or should you rather blame the government for such outrageous policy planning that led to this? I choose to blame the US fed and the Economics & Finance Dept of US government because being a completely capitallist nation they should have foreseen the fact that everyone would try and maximise profits.

They didn't have the liquidity(cash) in 2008 as lending banks went bust.
Liquidity is related to a lot of things like internal management practices of a company (apple will never have a liquidity crisis because in excess of 36 billion dollars with itself) on the other hand a company that spends a lot will have to take leverage or a loan to, lets say, do some acquisition etc.

Liquidity was held up because lending was more dangerous than ever. Its a natural process, Its like you not wanting to give money to your friend because he has already bad debted on 3 of your friends and hence you feel less confident about your investment. Now is there any rational relation between how much money you own verses you giving him the loan?
Your investment decision should be based on what he has done in the past, what is his current market condition and
if he will pay back. How much much you have has very little to do with it (beyond a certain point ofcourse)
insurance against loan thing thats what was told to banks like AIG who thought this was just another insurance .Interestingly goldman sachs and deutche were selling insurance where insuring party was AIG or banks like citi and not themselves.
Thats the problem, thats where greed comes in. Its in a way, Insider Buying : Also there seems to be a lot of conflict of interest in the entire thing. Its amazing how none of these guys thought about the conflict of interest involved. Its the basic code of any business. We have stopped using insurance as insurance, hedging for hedging. This is a huge problem in a lot of cases.