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Had bought Federal Bank for 400 on 9th march.. The stock after weeks of rangebound movement between 415-430 is not finally up to 445-448. I see the stock at 500 by end of may.

My father is quite bullish on this stock (reasons beyond my understanding, but he is in the market for more than 25 years, I take his word), he says the stock should touch 750-800 by end of Fy13.


=> I too had bought on the same price in Feb. Well acc. to me It can go up till 480-500 in next 3 months.
Yeah.. certainly It is good to hold this share.!

Well, past 2 weeks have been real good!...after inventure its ifb agro doing decently well..hit two consecutive upper circuits...currently at 206-208...!.....totally my father's stock...he is expecting it to give directly the bonus this time...abhi trade to trade me chal raha ...once it gets out of it , one can expect a more bullish trend..!,..managemnt thoda investor freindly ho jaye yaar....hasnt given any dividend till now!!:nono:...since this being its silver jublee year, father expecting it to give bonus directly..lets see..

The whole broad market sentiment is that the RBI will cut repo rate by 25 basis points on 17th April. Most of the brokerages are saying the same.

As inflationary pressures have eased and the growth continuing to suffer, we expect RBI to cut repo rates.


We expect RBI to cut rates in April to the tune of 25 bps as growth slowdown intensifies.


We would advice clients to play interest rate sensitives like Banks and Capital Goods (Yes Bank, City Union Bank and Larsen and Toubro) to capitalize on falling rates theme.


At the same time consumption and agri stories (GSK Consumer, Bajaj Auto, Coromondal Fertiliser) would continue to do well.


We have a hold recommendation on global cyclicals like Tata Steel as concerns from China slowdown intensify.


While this may be the broad consensus, I feel (after some discussions with some of my friends who are at trading desks of big fiis and brokerages) that this is highly unlikely.

With crude at 125$ and going higher, and rupee depreciating again, fuel price will be increased any day and there will be inflationary pressure and it is highly unlikely the RBi is going to cut rates.

In this scenario, I feel we might see a reaction on 17th and after with a cut of around 300 points on the NIFTY after the RBI policy.

Major stocks to lose will be banks and realty
The whole broad market sentiment is that the RBI will cut repo rate by 25 basis points on 17th April. Most of the brokerages are saying the same.



While this may be the broad consensus, I feel (after some discussions with some of my friends who are at trading desks of big fiis and brokerages) that this is highly unlikely.

With crude at 125$ and going higher, and rupee depreciating again, fuel price will be increased any day and there will be inflationary pressure and it is highly unlikely the RBi is going to cut rates.

In this scenario, I feel we might see a reaction on 17th and after with a cut of around 300 points on the NIFTY after the RBI policy.

Major stocks to lose will be banks and realty


If not in April, it has to cut down the rates in May. RBI has to balance Growth rate also while checking the inflation. But yes, 17th April , 11.00 AM will be the deciding factor for market direction. If the rates are not reduced, I would prefer to sell off the interest sensitives immediately and take the short positions on the same. But I will prefer to buy the same stocks again when Nifty moves down till 5150-5200 and then doing the same in May on the policy release date. 😃

I bought 360 shares of Future Ventures ages ago at Rs. 8.50... Finally it is approaching its issue price... closed yesterday at Rs. 9.17...

what do you guys think will it cross the issue price of rs. 10? What is the potential of the stock and on what basis?

I checked that the 50 day simple moving average crossed 200 day sma I believe the stock will rise more.

should I hold it or should I sell it off or should I buy more?

future ventures is a company of biyani group.The company is not making any profits for last 5 years.I would advice you to get out of the stock .The stock is moving as pantaloon stock moved so speculators shifted to it.
Why do you want to buy it ?
Some good picks for 2-3 years are:-
1.eclerx services :-50 % ROE 4 % dividend yield only listed company in KPO and good growth rate.Available at cheap valuations
2.Unichem Laboratories:-Turn around story.

Anyone tracking Varun Industries? After being in the bull run for almost two years, the stock has been hitting lower circuits of 20% for 10-12 straight sessions. And is now down to lower than 2010 levels. The stock was 260 odd in march first week, it is at 71 now and chances of falling are higher.

The stock has consistently paid dividends and had great dec quarter results... Does anyone know if there is something in the news?

Anyone tracking Varun Industries? After being in the bull run for almost two years, the stock has been hitting lower circuits of 20% for 10-12 straight sessions. And is now down to lower than 2010 levels. The stock was 260 odd in march first week, it is at 71 now and chances of falling are higher.

The stock has consistently paid dividends and had great dec quarter results... Does anyone know if there is something in the news?



Haha Seems like a Classic case of Fraudulent Management

Stock was trading at more than 250 a month back on 3rd March, 2012. today it is at 71

When I see such a drastic fall, First thing I check is the "No.of shares pledged by Promoters" which is available in shareholding pattern page of the Company at its bseindia profile. ShareHolding
The data for till last quarter shows Promoters holding 64.99% of total shares and have pledged 35.56% of their holding with Bank/NBFC or some other party. Why do the promoters pledge their shares ? For availing the loan facilities, Shares are pledged as a security. Now shares as a security is very tricky asset. The lender knows that the price of it can fall anytime and till any value, hence the margin requirement in case of shares is much more. (Minimum 200% to even 300% sometimes i.e. for borrowing 100 Rs, the promoter has to pledge shares of market value of Rs. 200 or even Rs. 300)
The terms of contracts come with a rider that if the market value of shares pledged has fallen by a particular amount say by half, the lender has right to liquidate the shares to recover his money.

Okay in this case, 35.56% is an area of concern but still Promoters have around 65% of their shares free without any pledge as on 31st December,2011 So should not be of grave concern. :grin:
Hence then I check, the announcements by the company from 31st December to current date. And what I find is, the Promoters are on the spree to pledge their shares.:o There are multiple filings for SEBI (SAST) Regulations.
Announcements
The latest one I see and I am shocked, the main promoter's (current CMD of the Company) unpledged stake in the company has reduced down to mere 5% as on current date from 39% in less than a month. One more promoter has pledged some of his stake. :shock:

What can be the motive behind pledging of stake ? To avail loan against the security of shares. Promoter's hands are tied. They can't sell it in the open market, as once they sell , everyone will start selling .(If the company's CMD is not bullish about the company who else will) So they take other route, they pledge their shares and monetise their holdings. Who better than CMD will know the financial health of his company? When CMD himself is not sure about future, he would want to be the first to get rid of his holding hence he pledges.:sneaky: As the word goes out in market, other shareholders start selling. Prices will come down to an extent that the terms of offloading in the pledging contract will become active and even lenders will start selling. In short every one will start selling and hence the stock will go on hitting lower circuits. Here in this case, I believe the stock has the potential to go to Rs. 25 in the next few months.

One more question arises to me is why the CMD is not sure about the company and how a minority shareholder like us will come to know in advance. Then I check the annual report for the last year i.e. as on 31st March, 2011. I am seeing good results , increase in sales as well as profits. Then I check the Current Assets, wherein I see huge Debtors. The sign that the company may have booked fictitious sales to boost the figures / They have recklessly sold the goods without checking the ability of customers to repay. I almost can predict that for current year , the debtors figure is going to be much worse, the company may have to book huge bad debts any time soon. :nono:

People generally believe that low PE ratio companies are very attractive. Now this company is ruling at just 3 P/E. But one should never forget that the Earnings figure is management's play. So one should not take it on face value.:nono:

Also one need not really do this much analysis, if he follows a simple principle that is "Never catch a falling knife" Never try to be smart by purchasing such stocks when they are available at considerable low prices when compared to their historical prices. There are people smarter than you who are on the other side selling the same stock.

P.S. I am bad at explaining.
P.P.S. My analysis can be wrong but I feel, the probability of it being wrong is very low
Haha Seems like a Classic case of Fraudulent Management
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P.S. I am bad at explaining.
P.P.S. My analysis can be wrong but I feel, the probability of it being wrong is very low


Dude, this is seriously awesome analysis :thumbsup: I don't think anyone could've given such insightful analysis.

BTW, one thing I'd like to know. The basic concept of stocks is that trades happen when there is buyer on one side and seller on the other, right? So if everyone is selling and no one is buying then how is the price decided for any particular stock? Does the software installed @ BSE/NSE determines that or it follows any algorithm or something like that?
Dude, this is seriously awesome analysis :thumbsup: I don't think anyone could've given such insightful analysis.

BTW, one thing I'd like to know. The basic concept of stocks is that trades happen when there is buyer on one side and seller on the other, right? So if everyone is selling and no one is buying then how is the price decided for any particular stock? Does the software installed @ BSE/NSE determines that or it follows any algorithm or something like that?


There are circuit filters. For e.g. If there is a stock with huge selling pressure. CMP Rs. 100 and has circuit limit of 20% then, if there is no buyer at higher price, obviously the seller will try to sell it at the minimum possible price on that particular date i.e. Rs. 80. So there will be huge selling orders pending at Rs. 80. So that day closing price will be Rs. 80. Next day if same case happens then the price will close at Rs. 64 and so on. 😃
Haha Seems like a Classic case of Fraudulent Management

P.S. I am bad at explaining.
P.P.S. My analysis can be wrong but I feel, the probability of it being wrong is very low


woh! jayada toh samajh nhn aayi muje terms..but overall your analysis was cool man,got the jist 'Never catch a falling knife' :)

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That was a great explanation given by ABCLIKS, i guess sumthng similar happend with kwality dairy too recently!!..such things can really wipe you out from the market!!

butterflyeffec Says
That was a great explanation given by ABCLIKS, i guess sumthng similar happend with kwality dairy too recently!!..such things can really wipe you out from the market!!



I do feel the same for Kwality Dairy (but for some other obvious reasons), which the Investors have been quite bullish a couple of Years ago.

You pick any Financial Investment Magazine b/w this period & you will find it as a Top Pick, suggested by Analysts...

It has dropped from a peak of 228 in 2010 to a current low of 37.

Cash Flow has continuosly been decreasing for them on QOQ Basis & also thier Debt Equity Ratio is quite high, which shd be an area of concern for an Investor.

Pledged shares have only been 1.64%.

Regards,
Bharat

are there in pg courses in particular for capital markets..........???

if i invest 5000 rupees in equities on an average how much profit can i expect in a day

It has been a mixed week till now..on one hand ifb agro doing decently well(hit upper today), but on the other hand avt natural is nt upto the mark...just look at inventure..damm..just when i think tht this stock is gnna plummet like anythng ,it bounces back big tymm!..anwys i am out of it..and have no plans of entering it!...

Great week for me.. 3 consecutive days I made profits in intraday and IIMC convert 😁

keeler.drummer Says
Great week for me.. 3 consecutive days I made profits in intraday and IIMC convert :D

awsum mann!...congoo!
Haha Seems like a Classic case of Fraudulent Management

Stock was trading at more than 250 a month back on 3rd March, 2012. today it is at 71

When...

P.S. I am bad at explaining.
P.P.S. My analysis can be wrong but I feel, the probability of it being wrong is very low


Awesome analysis 😁
But just curious if this can be a case of bear cartel...it would have been much easy to pull the share price down as the promoters have pledged the shares up to a dangerous level.....
keeler.drummer Says
Great week for me.. 3 consecutive days I made profits in intraday and IIMC convert :D

you deserve every bit of it man. congrats !