International educational options beyond the MBA

hi baccardisprite
i am a final year engg student from manipal institute of technology.i have scored 99.32 in cat 2008 and 99.57 in xat .but i have not received a call from IIMs .the only call that i have right now is from 'sjmsom iit bombay'(other results awaited).
i am looking for a course with a duration of 11 to 12 months(like MS in Finance or Economics).basically i thought of doing a course of this kind and reappearing for cat 2009.but then i came to know about the masters in management at LBS which is for aspirants without workex.i want to know the job prospects after this program.are the placements comparable with those from xlri ?is it a good idea to pursue this program and then follow it with an indian mba ?


Masters in Management is a 12 month program at LBS is starting this year. It is aimed at students with less than 1 year experience. As you will have access to a good school's (FT ranked #1) career services team, I think you will be in a good shape after your Masters compared to many other schools in Europe. After completing the course, you would be mostly looking at an Analyst role at Consulting/Finance companies. MBAs are generally considered for an Associate role. I think it will be an excellent brand on your resume if you can get into this program (only intake of 100 this year). Work couple of years in London, and then go for an MBA.

Best of luck!

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sorry guys if i'm interrupting a converstion,
I just wanted an idea from some of u guys regarding this course below
MSc Carbon management from edinburgh university or
MSc carbon management from Glasglow university
both the universities are good, I have an unconditional offer letter from edinburgh, if anyone has any idea about the course and also the university,
I have completed my B.Sc in biochemistry with 75% and my IELTS score is 7.5
Pls provide some feedback, also if anyone has any friends or someone from this course
Thanks,
Nadeem

I would like you to compare IPMX from IIML-NC vs PMP from IIMA ? I am expecting calls from both. With 12 years of experience , I am not in a position to decide which one is better.
Some views by experts will be appreciated even if i am in a wrong thread.

Hi Baccardisprite

Excellent Initiative.

I have 2+ yrs of work ex in Indian IT and have applied to the MS&E; program at Stanford. What is the reputation of this program? and what are your thoughts about doing an MBA after this masters? (if i get selected)

Thank You

sorry guys if i'm interrupting a converstion,
I just wanted an idea from some of u guys regarding this course below
MSc Carbon management from edinburgh university or
MSc carbon management from Glasglow university
both the universities are good, I have an unconditional offer letter from edinburgh, if anyone has any idea about the course and also the university,
I have completed my B.Sc in biochemistry with 75% and my IELTS score is 7.5
Pls provide some feedback, also if anyone has any friends or someone from this course
Thanks,
Nadeem


How many years of experience do you have? Do you have strong knowledge of at least 1-2 industries that you can leverage along with what seems to be extremely specialist education? Do you have true passion for this field, enough to perhaps go out searching for your dream job without the assistance and support of the university's career services office, particularly as the programs are probably very new and career services would for these would probably be in development? Do you know where previous grads have gone to work? Are these universities included in the UK's list of univs from where graduates get the automatic permit to work in the UK (or Scotland)?

Answer these questions for yourself and then make a choice to attend or not attend. The programs described above are so new, specific and specialist that you're unlikely to get firm & specific feedback on them...

Cheerz & good luck
I would like you to compare IPMX from IIML-NC vs PMP from IIMA ? I am expecting calls from both. With 12 years of experience , I am not in a position to decide which one is better.
Some views by experts will be appreciated even if i am in a wrong thread.


With 12 years and assuming you have complete clarity on what you want to do after the program - I'd recommend the more established program. A better expert would be the Alumni from either program from whom you might get deeper insight.

Good luck
Hi Baccardisprite, Excellent Initiative.
I have 2+ yrs of work ex in Indian IT and have applied to the MS&E; program at Stanford. What is the reputation of this program? and what are your thoughts about doing an MBA after this masters? (if i get selected)
Thank You


Top notch program - it's Stanford's version of Industrial Engineering and Operations Management). Also a newer program (the department itself is about 5 years old) in this field and therefore won't be "ranked" as high as a similar program in Georgia-Tech (example). But the fact that it comes from Stanford will override all. You will have access to engineering, science, business and law schools on the same campus.

Honestly - a strong program like this should include several elements of a core MBA program so you will likely NOT feel the need for an MBA at all after graduating this. Secondly - this is likely to be a more all round academically more rigorous program than a standard MBA, with all of the career / job.search challenges thrown in anyway. Last - you probably have the opportunity to take targeted electives at the Stanford Business School (strategy & corporate finance), at the Engineering school (biomendical / bioengineering if healthcare is your future field). Understand where MS&E; graduates go; I think you'll find a healthy mix of technical and business roles. With the strong business elements in the program + access to other Univ schoos, I don't think you'll ever feel the "academic" need for an MBA. Though you might want the network and (potential??) career enhancement that an MBA offers.

Even if you want to do an MBA later on - I'd recommend 4-5 years after the MS&E; degree (experience + stanford + top MBA) to make yourself truly attractive to employers in the long run.

All in all - a very good choice if you get in! Wish you the best.
Hi, I have answered your PM. Apologies again for the delay.
Cheerz & All the best.


Hello Baccardisprite,

I had a similar query !! Unfortunately you have answered to the previous similar question on a PM.

However for my benefit and others too, I would like to put this query again!!

BaccardiSprite - your precise answers are brilliant. Thank you for starting this thread.

I need some advice on the MSc in International Business programs I'm considering.

Profile:
Graduated in Engineering with Distinction through out and a total of 80.2%, have been working since then and have a total work-ex of 2.5 yrs!!

I'm considering in fact focusing a Masters in Management, and am applying to HEC (with CEMS option), LSE,ESCP-EAP and two safe options (need to choose from Essec, Grenoble, Audencia Nantes, Cass and Stockholm School of Economics).

1. What are the career opportunities like, for HEC, LSE, RSM and ESCP-EAP?

2. Some help on reputation and employment opportunities after graduation, if you happen to know, would be wonderful.

3. While I know that Europe is, geographically, where I want to be for the next 5-7 years.

4. With a GMAT score of 700+ and this profile can i look for a scholarship during these MSc. programs.

5. After graduating I plan to work in Strategy Management roles will the initial profile offered after an Msc. be somewhat same as to what is offered after an MBA( Because I will have a substantial amount of work-ex. which should help me to get a job).

6. What is the working visa situation like, if an Indian national wanted to work in the EU after graduation?

I realize this is a lot of questions, but I really would be extremely, extremely grateful if you could possibly help me out with this.

Thaaaaaaaanks!!!!! a lot...

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hi nikhil here, i am pursuing my bbm last semester rite now

how is the MSC finance Course in lancaster university in UK .... they require a GMAT score of 600 ...

As i will be giving gmat, what is the scope of MBA in US for a fresher with 15 yrs of education ... which all univ i can look for with a GMAT score of 700

In UK i was basically looking for a replacement of MBA as MBA requires work ex .... is there any other course close to MBA .... which are the best universities in UK

please help

hey baccardisprite. great thread running here.
I am a Civil Engg grad from IIT Roorkee, working for past 20 months at Manhattan Assiciates (a leading supply chain solution providing firm) as a software developer.
I am writing CAT for past 3 yrs trying to shift vertical from coding to management and I am really interested in using my work ex and doing an MBA in SCM (related field). The courses you have mentioned from MIT and Logistics institue seem really specific but I have doubts regarding how good they are.
I am in a dilemma now. I am thinking of quitting my job so that I can write GMAT and preapare for CAT yet again in peace (with no work pressure).
But then I will loose out on the work ex, which is still less than 2 years, plus there is still uncertaininty of clearing CAT.

Any advice?
Thank in advance.

hey baccardisprite. great thread running here.
I am a Civil Engg grad from IIT Roorkee, working for past 20 months at Manhattan Assiciates (a leading supply chain solution providing firm) as a software developer.
I am writing CAT for past 3 yrs trying to shift vertical from coding to management and I am really interested in using my work ex and doing an MBA in SCM (related field). The courses you have mentioned from MIT and Logistics institue seem really specific but I have doubts regarding how good they are.
I am in a dilemma now. I am thinking of quitting my job so that I can write GMAT and preapare for CAT yet again in peace (with no work pressure).
But then I will loose out on the work ex, which is still less than 2 years, plus there is still uncertaininty of clearing CAT.

Any advice?
Thank in advance.


I am no good person to give advices rest assured would convey to you quite strongly that there is no substiute to workex..Keep working and do anything simultaneously please.. Quiting job is absolutely ridiculous.. SCM is too good and specific too..Just try to explore what you wana do for your longer goals and fit in your desired MBA to give longer benifits..dont dare to think quitting , it could back fire ..cat is unpredictable..keep ur focus n keep working..
regards..

[quote=anubhavdutt;1402192 I need some advice on the MSc in International Business programs I'm considering.

Profile:
Graduated in Engineering with Distinction through out and a total of 80.2%, have been working since then and have a total work-ex of 2.5 yrs!! I'm considering in fact focusing a Masters in Management, and am applying to HEC (with CEMS option), LSE,ESCP-EAP and two safe options (need to choose from Essec, Grenoble, Audencia Nantes, Cass and Stockholm School of Economics).

1. What are the career opportunities like, for HEC, LSE, RSM and ESCP-EAP?

2. Some help on reputation and employment opportunities after graduation, if you happen to know, would be wonderful.

3. While I know that Europe is, geographically, where I want to be for the next 5-7 years.

4. With a GMAT score of 700+ and this profile can i look for a scholarship during these MSc. programs.

5. After graduating I plan to work in Strategy Management roles will the initial profile offered after an Msc. be somewhat same as to what is offered after an MBA( Because I will have a substantial amount of work-ex. which should help me to get a job).

6. What is the working visa situation like, if an Indian national wanted to work in the EU after graduation?

I realize this is a lot of questions, but I really would be extremely, extremely grateful if you could possibly help me out with this.

Thaaaaaaaanks!!!!! a lot...

Sorry for the delayed response. Will try and answer your questions:

Before specifically answering anything - please note that the EU economy is basically tanking, and the level of openness towards hiring Non-EU citizens in white collar roles is currently declining! The only exceptions are profiles so desirable that companies would go to the lengths to sponsor a work permit.

1. Good schools, but their MBAs are more well known than their Master's in Management Programs (except LSE, which doesn't have a full time MBA program to speak of). The Master's in Management programs tend to attract recruiters looking for people on the lower end of the experience scale and job profilesin functional roles rather than corporate / strategy roles. Therein lies the problem - junior functional roles, particularly in marketing, operations strategy and customer related - go to locals - who speak the language and understand local cultures. Without fluency in a major EU language (French, German, Spanish, Italian) - difficult to find a gig. At junior levels - this is difficult even for consulting.

2. Refer to above - more locally relevant skills, more opportunities. Example - if you spoke fluent German, and applied for a position with Siemens, you might get a look in IF they can't find an EU citizen to fill the position. Healthcare & Technology are 2 areas where companies look for skills. Opportunities in finance, particularly banking have all but dried up right now - hiring freezes across the board with very (if at all ) few exceptions.

I would strongly urge you to ask the school to provide contacts to (hopefully Indian) non-EU alumni of these programs.

Please note the UK work-permit scheme for Master's graduates. You might want to study in the LSE to take advantage of that.

Also please note that the concept of job.search is VERY VERY different to what you find in India. In Europe - you have to search yourself!!!! Ie contact Alumni, make networks and do all the hard work to get face time in companies in the form of interviews.

4. Rare. Schools tend to reserve their scholarships for MBAs (more expensive program). But contact the schools anyway and ask.

5. Again - Strategy management roles go to people with 7-8 years of experience. If local and EU issues + the economy come into play - this is a challenge.

6. Right now - difficult and expected to be difficult for the next 2 years.

Overall - I'd recommend either LSE (UK work permit) or continue working in India till the situation improves. 3-4 years more and you'd be qualified experience wise for an MBA anyway.

Good luck.

Right now working for some IT giant...which sucks..:death:sucks ..:death:.sucks.:death:.sucks...:death:
this thread z amazing ...and to the point for my requirement..
i know one of our senior..went into da path mentioned by you..LFM+MIT...Dual-Degree funda ..in TUHH-NIT..(Germany)..working with Deloittee now..as a senior consultant....
i am pretty much fascinated by his achievement ..u hav also mentioned abt dis field in da first place ...(so i thought it z big indeed)
now i have some queries...after all this.
:xmas:1. u have mentioned abt Logistics Masters ..in Geogia n other foreign institutes..z dere any good option available in india too? coz i am interested to settle down in india...not in foreign. but i have no issue in persuading any MS course Abroad.
:xmas:2. Which 1 would b better for me ..dat i dream abt..or da 1 ..of da kind of LFM-MIT....?
:xmas:3.please provide me links of some courses of dat LFM Dual degree model ..around da world..(u hv mentioned TU Holland..i knw abt TUHH..wht nxt?)
:xmas:4. somewhere i have read abt it.."freshly out of college , thrushed by da corporate machines, every "wannbe biggies" find themselves trapped in a more or less Identity Crisis during dere early twenties, which z da catch for all dose MBA courses nd Institutes" ....u seem to b pretty much a matured person to guide dese 22- 23s..for a long run.
:new_Llol:i am 22---:new_Llol:in da middle of nowhere---:new_Llol:like logistics a lot---:new_Llol:fascinated by seniors path to success---:new_Llol:in search of mental satisfactio nd selfesteem.:new_Llol: PLEASE GUIDE ME....i know u can...Please (P.S.::have appeared for cat 2008 ..scored 98 percentile..confident about 2009..will crack it for sure ...)


Was certainly a test for me to decipher your message. Would you mind not using so much sms syntax in your posts (at least to me). I am rather old :).

1. Right now - I don't think there's a very well developed Operations and Supply Chain Management program in India. One I could think of is the IIFT, from where many graduates go into either the logistics industry or into functional roles in this area with MNCs (exports / trade dependent). I'd still suggest to go abroad if you want to study and later specialize in the area.

2. Does the IT Giant where the work "sucks" have an Operations, SCM or Logistics vertical / practice? If yes, you might want to try getting in? It will give you both experience (in years) + an opportunity to understand your client's business - either the logistics industry or the SCM, Ops, Procurement, logistics functions of corporates (pretty critical to their business). Do this for 3-4 years and think of the LFM or similar program. MIT offers another program called M-LOG - a specialist Logistics & SCM program focussed on managing and developing technologies for this industry / function, or the Technology and Policy Program (TPP) - which offers a very strong manufacturing and supply chain specialization track.

But all of these programs become immensely more valuable when you have the experience to combine with the high-quality education - which makes you more attractive to recruiters.

3. Cranfield (M.Sc Logistics), City University / Cass (Financially focussed M.Sc for the Logistics, Shipping and Energy industries).... these are programs where the junta is still young (~25 years old)...

4. You're confused.... Try doing step 2 (above) and side by side - learn a language (like spanish, chinese, german or french). It's a skill that will help you immensely.

Oh... and write in English next time, not sms :-)

Good luck & cheerz
hey baccardisprite. great thread running here.
I am a Civil Engg grad from IIT Roorkee, working for past 20 months at Manhattan Assiciates (a leading supply chain solution providing firm) as a software developer. I am writing CAT for past 3 yrs trying to shift vertical from coding to management and I am really interested in using my work ex and doing an MBA in SCM (related field). The courses you have mentioned from MIT and Logistics institue seem really specific but I have doubts regarding how good they are. I am in a dilemma now. I am thinking of quitting my job so that I can write GMAT and preapare for CAT yet again in peace (with no work pressure). But then I will loose out on the work ex, which is still less than 2 years, plus there is still uncertaininty of clearing CAT. Any advice? Thank in advance.


You are fortunate that you have the opportunity to work in a firm providing to a particular industry (or function). That gives you the opportunity to learn about your client's business. Don't be impatient to escape. Try and move to a team-lead / analyst position where you will likely enjoy more client interaction. Meanwhile - use opportunities to upskill yourself - learn a language (particularly one spoken by a major client example French). I'd strongly recommend making a determined effort to rise within your company to team-lead and client facing roles.

How good they are ?!! - try taking a look at the profiles of people attending these programs! Georgia Tech is the last word in Industrial Engineering, SCM and logistics. MIT is the best technical school in the world period!

Hi Baccardisprite,

You got a great thread going here.... keep up the good work. I'm considering a masters in information systems (MIS) in the U.S., need your advise please.

I have a 690 GMAT score with three+ years work-ex in IT.

1) Would MBA in information systems be better than a M.S. in information systems?? I checked out the course curriculum & its almost the same so unable to decide. But what the M.S. has going for it costs less. What's your take??

2) There is a rating for U.S. universities offering a M.B.A in I.S. but nothing for M.S.I.S. Could you please let me know what are the good universities for M.S.I.S. in the U.S.??

Hi baccardisprite

Thanks for starting such a great thread and two thumbs up for the amount of wisdom and great insight being provided here.

I am a passout of Manipal Institute of Technology and by now I have almost 3 years of work-ex in semiconductors industry (presently working with a market leader MNC).

I have got an admit at London School of Economics (LSE) in MSc Management and Strategy. This program is quite different from other MSc Management programs at UK universities in the sense that it focuses heavily on strategic management and organizational theory. (apart from the fact that it's at LSE )
More info @ MSc Management and Strategy - Taught programmes - Graduate Prospectus - Graduate Admissions - LSE

I need your opinion on a few issues which would help me take a decision abt attending this program. Please provide your views. Thanks

1. The most fundamental issue. I am an engineer, and really, I like engineering & technology. I like being a geek. OK I may not like core engineering jobs, but I'd love to be in management related to technology, and also would like to take a shot at entrepreneurship.
But as LSE claims itself to be the "leading social sciences institute" of the world, I am really not sure what I am getting into. I am afraid that these courses might have a too much perspective of social sciences, and I might feel lost halfway thru the course. Although they claim that this program is analytical in nature and they also need a mathematical background, but I am not too sure how much influence the tag "leading social sciences institute" has on individual programs of LSE.
Further, various statistics show that around 30% of LSE graduates end up in investment banks. This shows that LSE degree carries sufficient weight beyond the social sciences tag to attract top employers. This confuses me even more.
Bottomline is, I want to work in Strategic Product management/development for a technology company, where I would be deciding the technology roadmap, product portfolios, execution & expansion strategies and related stuff.
Can a technology background combined with an LSE management degree, help me land in such a career?

2. Since this program is expensive ( 18000), I'll have to take considerable amount of loan and stuff to manage the fee. Naturally, to repay all that I need to have a job that pays in either , euros or $$ for the initial phase after graduation. Now, what is your opinion on job searching by international students in UK and other European countries, especially when there is so much crying over the recent economic crisis. Are the markets really in that bad a situation that even LSE graduates can't find jobs? And especially considering management jobs, is the saturation level so high that they are not willing to take in fresh talent at all?
Also, is it possible to find management jobs in non-english speaking countries like Germany, France, Switzerland etc

3. UK has introduced new Visa rules by which one can spend 2 years after graduation without needing a sponsorship from an employer. Do you think, I should take this as a positive sign and keep it in account when taking a decision about joining?

I think I have already typed a pretty long post and now I should stop. :)

I have a coupla more questions but I'd ask after you respond to this post. Maybe your reply would help me clear the mess that's continuously growing in my head.

Thanks again for reading this.

Greetings BacardiSprite...Read your posts and I must say they are just awesome.. just wanted to knw if u can highlight PG/MSc courses in IT for someone who has a BCOm with 3.5 yrs of IT experience..My Edu Qualifications are BCOM-56.42% HSC-70.17 % SSC-74.26%.. Working with Oracle Fin Ser. IT Mgmt & Support..
I have checked out MSc in IT courses of various universities.. UoMelbourne, QUT, Cranfield, UCD Smurfit... Pl let me know if i can explore more options as well as my chances of getting admits on above coll based on my profile..
Thanks.

I am a passout of Manipal Institute of Technology and by now I have almost 3 years of work-ex in semiconductors industry (presently working with a market leader MNC).

I have got an admit at London School of Economics (LSE) in MSc Management and Strategy. This program is quite different from other MSc Management programs at UK universities in the sense that it focuses heavily on strategic management and organizational theory. (apart from the fact that it's at LSE ). More info @ MSc Management and Strategy - Taught programmes - Graduate Prospectus - Graduate Admissions - LSE

1. The most fundamental issue. I am an engineer, and really, I like engineering & technology. I like being a geek. OK I may not like core engineering jobs, but I'd love to be in management related to technology, and also would like to take a shot at entrepreneurship.
Can a technology background combined with an LSE management degree, help me land in such a career?

2. Since this program is expensive ( 18000), I'll have to take considerable amount of loan and stuff to manage the fee. Naturally, to repay all that I need to have a job that pays in either , euros or $$ for the initial phase after graduation. Now, what is your opinion on job searching by international students in UK and other European countries, especially when there is so much crying over the recent economic crisis. Are the markets really in that bad a situation that even LSE graduates can't find jobs? And especially considering management jobs, is the saturation level so high that they are not willing to take in fresh talent at all?
Also, is it possible to find management jobs in non-english speaking countries like Germany, France, Switzerland etc

3. UK has introduced new Visa rules by which one can spend 2 years after graduation without needing a sponsorship from an employer. Do you think, I should take this as a positive sign and keep it in account when taking a decision about joining?

I think I have already typed a pretty long post and now I should stop. :)

I have a coupla more questions but I'd ask after you respond to this post. Maybe your reply would help me clear the mess that's continuously growing in my head.

Thanks again for reading this.


1. If a combined technology and management program is what you seek, I have to say a plain management & strategy program might not fulfil all your objectives. Like you said, the LSE sends many graduates into finance focused careers, which you clearly want to distance yourself from. Therefore you might want to look for strong programs combining Engineering and Technology Management. Think about:

- The Delft University of Technology, Holland. An EU Top 5 Engineering & Technology School and look at their Master's Program Portal (TU Delft - Master programmes) - which should give you some pretty good choices. Also with many of their programs conducted in English, you should be able to fit in quite well. With your experience in Semi-Conductors, you should be in a good position to sell yourself to recruiters in the technology, medical devices, and precision engineering space in the functional areas of product strategy and development (Philips / GE / Shell etc, all with strong operations in Western Europe / UK all come to mind immediately).

- Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Lausanne, Switzerland (College of Management of Technology - EPFL CDM), which runs one of Europe's strongest technology management programs (lots of precision engineering entrepreneurs come out of this school, some have gone on to become well known angel investors and venture capitalists).

- I am not very familiar with Techno-Management programs in the UK, but please do a hard search on this.. Look at Cambridge, Imperial College, University College London.. Also look at the www.timesonline.co.uk and check out the Good University Guide for the better schools in Engineering, and search for Technology Management Programs.

- Let's not forget the strength of the US Schools. Think about MIT's programs in the Engineering Systems Division (MIT's Engineering Systems Division).

You come of a strong Engineering School + have experience in a true precision engineering (semi-conductor) industry. If so called "geeky" tech-management is what you like, aim for it and aim for the best school.

2. Job search is a very different context here than from what you see in India. Out here, you will need to be extremely proactive with your search, which includes taking the initiative talking to recruiters, head-hunters and alumni; network well with the people you come in contact with and learn to put your best foot forward with the companies you want to work with. The school's career services will at times bring companies into campus, but with programs like the one I've described above, you would probably have to do a lot of work on your own.

The current economic crisis is affecting all of EU and particularly the UK, but the jobs for well educated & well qualified, experienced and skilled people will be there because companies absolutely need to grow to survive, recession or not. Also, if you work your job search well and convince a fairly large company to recruit you, then they will find a way to recruit you! Companies also know how to wafe through work-permit requirements, their size and importance to a local economy can't be discounted. So a Philips in Holland, or a GE in Western Europe or a Shell or BP or any other major large-cap MNC if they REALLY want you, they will find a way to accommodate you). But you have to convince them.

As I have mentioned in several posts here, doing a program seeking a customer facing job like marketing, sales or even strategy - is pointless without learning a major language of the market you want to work in. Business conversational skills in something like German (very important in the Engineering / Technology / Automotive / Life Sciences space), French (automotive, luxury, brand marketing etc...) or Spanish (retail...) definitely put you in front of the queue when talking to prospective recruiters.

3. Yes, it is a positive sign. Foreign students invest in an education, and the UK is allowing them the chance to recoup that.

I'd like you certainly think about the suggestions in point 1, even if you have to wait the extra year, use it to search for educational options that truly satisfy your goal. Use the extra 12-15 months to also learn a new language (I would suggest German / Spanish) and you'll be positioning yourself pretty well....

Sorry if the responses were not what you expected... But good luck all the same.

Cheerz
Baccardisprite

Hi baccardisprite,

Belated happy b'day 😃 and thanks a lot for replying.

The last 11 months of my life I have done nothing but research for the best possible masters' program for myself. Though ironically, I could manage to apply to only four universities, which are :

Stanford - Management Science and Engineering
MIT - SM in Engineering Systems (the 'normal' MS program of ESD)
Manchester business school - MSc Management of Science, Technology and Innovation
LSE - MSc Management and Strategy

For the other three, I am awaiting results.

I wanted to apply to at least a couple of more universities in US, but couldn't, coz nowhere I could find a program which was precisely what I wanted or else provided really good funding :D

I was going to apply to the MEM (engineering management) programs of Dartmouth and Duke but finally decided not to, as the post-study experience (job-searching) of alumni, especially indians, paints a scary picture.

For the ones you have suggested in Europe:

Delft - I know the TUM dept offers 4 programs in tech mgmt. But the problem is that none of them is established enough to be known throughout the globe. Delft's core competence is in technology, not management though. Further, all of their program have a heavy policy oriented and public sector management focus.
The one program MoT, which they are trying to make international in nature, has most of the students who are fresh out of college (I talked to their program administrator at length) and that's why doesn't hold too much of value for employers at this point of time
That's why decided not to apply as I was afraid my experience could potentially go to waste.
(Though I must say, Netherlands is a place where I wud really like to work at some point of my career)

EPF Lussane - I know their MTE program is good, but they say that 40% of their courses are taught in French. So it went out of consideration.

ETH Zurich - They run a D-MTEC program which again looks pretty good and carries the ETH name. But I talked to the director of this program and he told me that to really benefit from this program, I should know German like a native. He said some of the teaching and reference material and guest lectures etc could be in German and for getting a job too, I need solid German.
Thus again, I decided not to apply.

UK - Imperial, Cambridge and Oxford don't have any such program. Rest didn't impress me at all.

The thing u said about job searching in foreign land has given me a kind or reassurance, because I have always believed that if I truly work hard and smart and have a USP for myself and offer something to the employer which no one else does, there is no way that I would remain unemployed.

I will present a hypothesis which I believe in and I would be really grateful if you cud help me improve or rectify it.

I am someone who gets bored pretty easily and from the time I entered college to this moment, I have never been able to know what exactly it is that I want to do or achieve . My career path is not even hazy but completely invisible to me. I am not trying to be boastful here, but it is true that I am actually good at many things (except exams :)) and am usually able to easily finish everything that's assigned to me. This creates a problem because now the method of elimination too doesn't work. Almost everything I do I eliminate from my list. Hence, the list is still kinda empty.
But among all this chaos, there is still one thing which I am sure of, and that is , at some point in life, I am going to take a shot at entrepreneurship (most probably bcoz I'll be bored everything else). There is gonna be a day when I'll start my own venture. This is why I always believe that
"the brand name of a college is more important than what program have you studied there. The kind of experience that I am going to have a top college and the kind of people, student as well as faculty, that I am gonna meet and make valuable contacts, would be an invaluable experience. No matter how good a program is at a mediocre or a lesser known university, the above things will always be missing. And for entrepreneurship, these are the things that matter the most. Also, the first thing VCs and the angel investors will look at, is the brand name of university on my resume. As these are the people who wud probably help me achieve my dream, this further increases the importance of university brand name."
eg. look at the stanford website. Just going thru the details of all the entrepreneurial activities going on there makes my hair stand out. This is the stuff I am talking abt.
(Don't know whether I'll be really going there, even if I get the admit, there is no funding and I am broke 😞 )

Even in my Stanford and MIT essays, I have poured my heart out and only talked about my passion for entrepreneurship. Don't know whether it'll carry me through or not.

Don't know whether I am making any sense or not, but this is what I am.

Your comments are eagerly awaited, as always. :)

Thanks for patiently reading my blah-blah till here :)
Najmuddin

PS: I am not aiming for MBA bcoz abroad it's too expensive and back home CAT is too unpredictable (last 3 years, always on the verge, but never made the cut). Also, if I go to stan or MIT, I wont' really bother about an MBA.