hey...any body from canada toronto in here?
Hi,
Can the knowledgeable people on this forum comment on the brand value and worth of the NUS MBA in the APAC region ?
I also have admits from a few top 20 US Business schools ( with no schol) and from MISM, Carnegie Mellon. NUS MBA is a better degree but not sure if its worth the investment and if it is branded as well as ISB or other top schools in the region
Thanks
elan1922 SaysHi Baccardi/others, Can you please advice on the above dilemma? I am confused on whether I should choose NUS MBA or MIS, CMU? For the short term the MIS looks like a good bet because of good jobs post the education in the US market. But I dont want to feel the need for an MBA again in the medium term. Can u advice what are the possibilities to migrate to the US with MBA's from outside US? Thanks
Career goal? Be as specific as you can.... Desired functional area(s) after Masters, desired industry / type of company, and geography!!
It seems your desired geography is the US, which means studying in Asia is not exactly the path of least resistance / challenge; unless NUS has a healthy alumni base in the US that you can tap into. My guess is, you may find NUS alumni in the US, but these people are there after a few to several years of experience in a different geography before rising to senior positions in the US. Just a guess, though I could be wrong.
MIS is a specific degree related to systems, IT and tech management (geared to enable functional or consulting careers in this area). An MBA is a more generalist degree with core business courses, then electives which may include technology management, systems and project management (but not at a deeply technical level). They're different.
Go for the program that has a closer fit with your career goals (function, industry, geography). Remember, even after the MBA, you'll need to earn your spurs in 1-2 functions over a 7-10 year period before you reach positions of true business / people leadership / general management.
The NUS MBA is highly regarded in Singapore as one of the top local programs, and well known in Asia. Most graduates try accessing South East Asia & China for jobs. On recognition though, it falls a bit short of INSEAD and CEIBS. It's in the same tier as the 2 main MBA programs in Hong Kong (HKUST & CUHK), Australia (AGSM & Melbourne), and a little above Asian Institute of Management. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the NUS Career office is seen as not very strong, meaning one or both of not attracting enough companies to campus to present & network with students and not training graduates well enough to search for their jobs off-campus on their own. As an International MBA, you'll need both options open to you. Else, you might find yourself going for jobs on your own without adequate training and guidance.
The US Top 20 (where it appears you have other admits, MBA?) are well regarded globally and have an alumni network that's quite globally spread, including a strong presence in the US & North America. Career services offices are generally credible and competent - which means they will work to attract recruiters to campus, and train you very well to search off-campus as well. I would guess the CMU Career Office should be a strong one. Question is - would the CMU's MIS Program allow you the same access to Career Services as are offered to the Tepper MBA crowd? You need to find out.
Aware this doesn't answer all your questions directly, but hopefully it will offer a way for you to conduct your own "due diligence" (a term you'll hear a lot in your MBA/Masters going forward).
All the best
Baccardisprite
Career goal? Be as specific as you can.... Desired functional area(s) after Masters, desired industry / type of company, and geography!!
It seems your desired geography is the US, which means studying in Asia is not exactly the path of least resistance / challenge; unless NUS has a healthy alumni base in the US that you can tap into. My guess is, you may find NUS alumni in the US, but these people are there after a few to several years of experience in a different geography before rising to senior positions in the US. Just a guess, though I could be wrong.
MIS is a specific degree related to systems, IT and tech management (geared to enable functional or consulting careers in this area). An MBA is a more generalist degree with core business courses, then electives which may include technology management, systems and project management (but not at a deeply technical level). They're different.
Go for the program that has a closer fit with your career goals (function, industry, geography). Remember, even after the MBA, you'll need to earn your spurs in 1-2 functions over a 7-10 year period before you reach positions of true business / people leadership / general management.
The NUS MBA is highly regarded in Singapore as one of the top local programs, and well known in Asia. Most graduates try accessing South East Asia & China for jobs. On recognition though, it falls a bit short of INSEAD and CEIBS. It's in the same tier as the 2 main MBA programs in Hong Kong (HKUST & CUHK), Australia (AGSM & Melbourne), and a little above Asian Institute of Management. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the NUS Career office is seen as not very strong, meaning one or both of not attracting enough companies to campus to present & network with students and not training graduates well enough to search for their jobs off-campus on their own. As an International MBA, you'll need both options open to you. Else, you might find yourself going for jobs on your own without adequate training and guidance.
The US Top 20 (where it appears you have other admits, MBA?) are well regarded globally and have an alumni network that's quite globally spread, including a strong presence in the US & North America. Career services offices are generally credible and competent - which means they will work to attract recruiters to campus, and train you very well to search off-campus as well. I would guess the CMU Career Office should be a strong one. Question is - would the CMU's MIS Program allow you the same access to Career Services as are offered to the Tepper MBA crowd? You need to find out.
Aware this doesn't answer all your questions directly, but hopefully it will offer a way for you to conduct your own "due diligence" (a term you'll hear a lot in your MBA/Masters going forward).
All the best
Baccardisprite
Thanks for your reply Baccardisprite. As u rightly guessed my preference is the US in the current circumstances and that is only because of the money factor. My career goal is Consulting/Business Development->Strategy-->Management. Having said that I am not sure if I would need an MBA in the medium term to satisfy my career goals or if I can build the career that I want starting with IT consulting roles post MIS.
I say that because after doing considerable research I have realized that most NUS or even ISB students on average go to IT consulting roles post the MBA. But I am not really sure how different would the job function be from that an MIS grad would land and how much more value or push would that MBA and post MBA job role provide in comparison to the MIS grads and their jobs post graduation.
I am finding it difficult to choose MIS or NUS MBA because of the fear of the need for an MBA in the medium to long term and I am finding it difficult to choose NUS MBA over MIS because it might probably put me back to IT consulting that too in a not so mature market as the US which I could have landed in if I were to go to MIS.
I hope u understood my confusion.
Request you to advice.
Thanks
@baccardisprite:
Hi. Once again i am posting a query, and once again I would like to thank you.
I have asked you a couple of queries before also.
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/international-educational-options-beyond-the-mba-25033375
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/international-educational-options-beyond-the-mba-25033375
I am currently doing my Masters in IB from Delhi School of Economics, a very well reputed college in the country (but for another course though). Due to the trickle-off effect of MA Eco., we get good placements, and this year, our CAT cut-off has been 95%, better than IMT Ghz., so I am doing a Post Grad( Not MBA, I intend to do it later) from not that bad a college.
Now, I applied to AIESEC for an internship in China(2 months). I got a Developmental Internship (NGO work) in Dalian. Finance not a problem. I will be living with a Chinese family, for two months, in a city that does not speak any English, and one of the biggest shipping port in the country is there in that city. My team will comprise of 6 people, all of them from the 6 different continents. I accepted the offer thinking of the fabulous amount of exposure to the culture of the country I will have, and will get a chance to practice my Mandarin skills also (I am definitely going next year for a one-year Mandarin course at Tsinghua-Beijing).
On the other hand, I got an internship in ECGC, a PSU, where I will have to sit at home for 5 days a week, report on the 6 the day in the office, and prepare an MR report for them for two months. I am not too keen on an MR project because I myself do not know which field I want to get into,I do not have any work experience neither a technical graduation (Eco. pass out from reputed DU college). So better thought of exploring the country in a greater detail in these two months, something I am passionate about, rather than doing Secondary Research on my PC at home.
I am the youngest in the class, took suggestions from some "career-minded" elder people with prior work experience regarding this. I was told by everyone that it is a waste of time, money, effort..I will not be able to "monetize" my internship, "cultural skills are over-emphasized, nothing like that is useful in any job".."young boy you just want to have a nice vacation..go for it".. :oops:
Now one thing I want to ask..if one is looking for a career in IB( atleast after this degree), how can the cultural and the language skills of the largest consumer and manufacturing base in the World not help. Is it really being over-emphasised? My father himself runs a successful business, and most of his business runs through relations, networks; nothing technical or hi-fi rocket science skills and techniques.
Just give me a word of confidence and motivation, caution and advice- rest I will do on my own.
*Sorry for the elaborate description. You see, when China comes to my mind, the words just do not stop 😁
I say go for the internship in China without a doubt.
Many reasons for it.
You will get to meet new people , as you said from all parts of the world so you will be exposed to new ideas and new way of doing things.
You will live in an environment where not many people will speak english , this will make your life difficult but it will also bring the best out of you.You will learn to appreciate other cultures which will enhance your inter-cultural tolerance.
Plus you will be learning chinese which is a useful foreign language.
So i think theres everything to gain here.
Yudi90,
The recommendation from our previous correspondence on this forum - stands! Follow your passion, and yes - going to China at this age can only help you. You're young enough to build any career you want! Go for it.
All the best
Baccardisprite
Baccardi, this is an invaluable thread...thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Would appreciate it if you could throw some advice my way as well. I have 4.6 years of experience in the outsourcing industry. I work in the L&D; field and am a CELTA certified trainer. My career aims atm are to gain global exposure and I also want to move up the ladder in my field.
My knowledge of the global corporate L&D; field is pretty limited but do you think an MBA abroad would help in achieving my aims? Do you think placement season could be rough for me esp since I am not the standard MBA candidate(ie with an engineering/finance background)?
Thanks for your reply Baccardisprite. As u rightly guessed my preference is the US in the current circumstances and that is only because of the money factor. My career goal is Consulting/Business Development->Strategy-->Management. Having said that I am not sure if I would need an MBA in the medium term to satisfy my career goals or if I can build the career that I want starting with IT consulting roles post MIS.
I say that because after doing considerable research I have realized that most NUS or even ISB students on average go to IT consulting roles post the MBA. But I am not really sure how different would the job function be from that an MIS grad would land and how much more value or push would that MBA and post MBA job role provide in comparison to the MIS grads and their jobs post graduation.
I am finding it difficult to choose MIS or NUS MBA because of the fear of the need for an MBA in the medium to long term and I am finding it difficult to choose NUS MBA over MIS because it might probably put me back to IT consulting that too in a not so mature market as the US which I could have landed in if I were to go to MIS. I hope u understood my confusion.
Request you to advice. Thanks
Given your career goals, one of your US Top 20 admits might work better, particularly if it's affiliated to a university that houses a top engineering school as well. Engineering school would mean the business school likely offers a top notch technology & tech management curriculum, either as electives or as cross-registered courses. It also means a wide network to tech & operations consulting firms. Equally important - the career services of these schools have credible experience, skill and a record of success in helping graduates get placed in the top consulting companies. They will be able to train you for an effective search both on & off campus.
If you have a few years of IT experience (say 4-5 years), but want to get into a more client / facing consulting career post your education, an MBA works better... As always choose your school carefully (I have advised only one aspect of selection above).
All the best
Baccardisprite
Baccardi, this is an invaluable thread...thanks for sharing the knowledge. Would appreciate it if you could throw some advice my way as well. I have 4.6 years of experience in the outsourcing industry. I work in the L&D; field and am a CELTA certified trainer. My career aims atm are to gain global exposure and I also want to move up the ladder in my field.
My knowledge of the global corporate L&D; field is pretty limited but do you think an MBA abroad would help in achieving my aims? Do you think placement season could be rough for me esp since I am not the standard MBA candidate(ie with an engineering/finance background)?
Thanks for the positive feedback, always happy to help alongside several others on this forum.
L&D; = Learning & Development? Career goal appears fair, and no I don't believe you're so far off the standard MBA candidate. In fact you might be able to differentiate yourself. As to placement, you might want to look at some career options, particularly at working in the HR function for a few years, then specializing functionally in the field of Talent & Development, then come back into L&D; armed with more skills a few years after the MBA.... You do have options, research them carefully and make the decision to go forward.
All the best
Baccardisprite
Thanks BaccardiSprite,
But can you be a little more specific and advice me on which to choose btw MIS (management information systems), Carnegie Mellon and MBA, NUS only considering career prospects, money, stability and job satisfaction for short term, medium term and the long term ?
I am extremely confused as to whether I should choose MIS bec I am attracted to the US market or the MBA because I feel that its a better degree and probably may fetch better job roles and help in the long run.
Abt MIS, I am worried for its limited ability to push my career or help me in the medium to long term. Abt NUS MBA, I am worried about its brand value to enable me to get those startegy consulting, business development kind of roles.
I am not sure my understanding about either is correct ( US marrket is better for earning,career, stability) or ( MBA is better because its a better degree and probably may fetch better job roles and help in the long run ).
Please advice based on your experience.
As u rightly guessed, I have 5 years of exp in IT in a global MNC, out of which I have spent 2 years abroad.
Thanks.
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hi baccardisprite!!!
awsum work going on here:)
well im in a bit of a fix...and its quite queer actually...
hafta choose bw LSE(acctg &fin;) and imt-g...
assuming that i want to get into consulting...
wat shud i go for? graduated in 2010 and hav been workin in family biz since then..
da thing is what i really want to do is giv da entrances another try as there were several gaps in my prep that i really want to fill...but due to family pressure..i hafta go for my masters NOW..so the cool thing about lse is dat its a 9 month course..so even if i dont get a job of my liking post my msc...i could take cat'2011...plus i guess lse will open a world of opportunities that imt probly wont...and well if not an iim..atleast i cud then luk at harvard for an mba or smthng(not dat dats easy:()...realy dont know wat to do... i mean cud u gimme a realistic scenario of da job scene at lse...esp after da post study work permit cancellation? workin in uk is not a priority anyway..and i dont really hav financial or geographical constraints...but dat is not to say dat i dont want my money's worth...also i will b waitressin or smthng to atleast cover my llivin expenses if i go to london...and if i do lse now..and i get into iim/xl/fms in 2012...would dat be a gud idea or shud i b happy wit imt? i mean its just goin to haunt me forever that i cud hav done betr but i dint..if i go to imt...not dat imt by any std is bad...but u know...ur insight wud be really appreciated...thanks so much:)
ur from cal too? where r u headed?
hi baccardisprite!!!
amazing work..
i am in a dilema.. i have finished my engineering in electrical and now working in L & t in manufacturing sector. almost 1 year expeience.. ..
i am inerested in doing masters in management wit finanace as my specialization. i am starting my application provess now.. its kinda late for this year though.. applying for the top colleges in france and uk..
i have a abv avg percetge in engg and school..
nd a 620 in gmat.. which are the colleges i can apply for and wat are teh chances of getting in as it is alrady late to be starting the applicatin proces..
and how is msm in US.. i have heard they have a jan intake as well..
should i wait and apply nex year or go ahead with application process for sept 11 intake..
@Surabhi - I was interested in LSE Acct & Fin too. Do you have any idea about employment prospects of grads from that course?
rust in peace Says@Surabhi - I was interested in LSE Acct & Fin too. Do you have any idea about employment prospects of grads from that course?
wel u see..dats wat! i dont! and after da work visa cancellation...arggh! i dont mind workin outside da uk..but profiles and money..they are imp factors..any idea how to go abt doing dat research?
From what I head, some Indian LSE grads do end up in Dubai/Singapore, you have to start networking and job hunting before your course even begins (as it is a 1 year course), I guess you are best off contacting some Indian Alums, as work visa policies are very different for EU nationals
I assume the Marketing Course reflects a step towards a desired career in Marketing????
If yes - job opportunities for someone without cultural / professional experience (in the markets you want to potentially work in) is close to zero! At a young age, Marketing is a culturally immersive career, you need to know the people and culture of the country you want to work in. Example - if you want to do M.Sc Marketing in the UK, do you have UK experience (at least lived if not worked there before)? If not, how do you think you'll convince someone to employ you in Marketing?
Best is try getting into a marketing career in India. As the Indian business environment requires you to potentially have an MBA / PGDM (possibly with a specialization in Marketing), do that and then access a marketing career in India - possibly with a Global / Multinational company like a P&G;, Philips or similar. Gain 5-7 years of solid experience and skills that you can transfer to another market where the same company has operations. Take it from there....
Your suggested way isn't something I'd actively encourage. Apologies if this isn't what you wanted to hear.
All the best
Baccardisprite
Thanks for your reply
Due to circumstances it would be ideal for me to do some sort of degree in europe or even america. I don't want to do an mba in any of these places because the good ones require work experience and right now i only have 3 months of work ex. I want to supplement my undergraduate degree with a msc and with an option ( which i would likely take up) to do an MBA later.
Really would like your thoughts on this.
hi all..
i am hearing that getting a job in europe is comparitively more difficult than say in Us after a masters in mnagement degree.. is that so.. and wat about the visa ? how long are u allowed to stay back and search for a job..