International educational options beyond the MBA

Hi All,

Can anyone please enlighten me about MSc in Finance course of NUS, I am currently living in singapore and working as Software consultant in a Bank.

Thanks in advace

Hello Baccardisprite,

I am presently working with Areva T&D; as an Asst. Manager in Design Dept. , joined the firm 4 years back .
I am new to pagalguy and one of my friend suggested to post my profile to your for some further future guidance.


My Profile is as below:
10th : 70%
12th : 72 %

B.tech in Electrical Engineering from JSS ATE ( a private institution of UP governed by UP Tech University) graduated with 70% aggregate


After completion of my Engineering, I was selected in Areva T&D; joined the firm in year 2007.


Being always interested in marketing field as pre-planned to do MBA in marketing, I took up the same in the firm, joined as Graduate Engineer Trainee in Commercial department for Distribution range of transformer and got posted in my home town Allahabad luckily.


I started up with tendering department where we have to make commercial offer and quote for tender to customer as per customer tender for transformers requirement.


I worked for 1.5 years and then got shifted to Project & contract management department where we have to deal with the post order activities including handling the contract from start till complete execution of the same including the last and most tedious part the collection of money. Working the same department I handled the complete manufacturing range of the transformer. I kind of like the profile as the same was to deal with customers and coordinating with different department, visiting customer end. Also was part of Exhibitor team during the Indian technical promotional Fair Elecrama'08 & 2010.


After working for 2 years again got promoted to Asst. Manager & shifted as my superiors wanted me to be strong in technical front also so that I complete the business flow cycle, so joined Design cell of transformer, where I am currently working as a Designer.


Only thing that didn't clicked at all during my working days is CAT, I regularly appeared each year since my college days i.e. 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011. I completed screwed CAT my Highest score came was 70 percentile ( English was a saviour, second bad was QA & disaster was DI ) Only exams I scored was SNAP & NMAT but hardly make it to any of rank. Sole reason being I haven't prepared religiously as I came across many profile in Pagalguy and now I can well realise why this site is named so. As my Working hours were too hectic (6 days working being a manufacturing industry) as I was not aware at all what the front line sales would be so & so would be its working hours.


At this juncture am feeling how important is a MBA as well as a post graduation degree. As it definitely gives shape to your professional front with enhancing your managerial skills as the same is required to handle a complete business cycle, so one is completely ready for any job role in an organization. Being paid "ok" as compared to guys working in software firm lesser but definitely at the end of the month do realise a fact that a double figure (atleast approaching one) is totally required by any one of us as money do matters, so MBA is another reason for being an aspirant


But I am at a complete dilemma as what will be my next step, as whether to go for CAT or executive MBA or GMAT or take a job change. My friend has suggested me to go for GMAT, but I am completely not aware of test structure but heard of that it's a costly affair and have to give a serious thinking to go for it as the case is not like CAT at all. So the same friend of mine has suggested me to post my profile & case to you.


So I just want me to guide me, what should be my best suited option what should I be doing to get a good future as I am targeting Marketing as my field of interest & growth. My strength being talking to people & get the work done at a desired time frame ( not always on fire fighting mode) but like to take challenges & tough targets, some people suggested me to go for Project management in power transmission & distribution field instead of sticking to only one of product of a big power system. But I am lacking a good stable plan to go for in the future endeavour. So want to seek some good advice & flowchart what should be I doing ? I asked the same question myself but in vain.


Not performing at all in CAT & XAT and other related exam will GMAT be an easy/tough exam for me?


What is the complete entrance exam structure & fees required (appearing

Fee & applying for the universities) ?


What will be the preparation mode & time required?


Having a work experience of power industry of 4+ years what should I be aiming further to have a secure & stable future alongwith my professional & personal growth?


If you guide me with some "structural plan" alongwith my above queries, I would be highly grateful to you.


Thanking you in advance & Hoping not to be a radar less ship any more.

thanks a lot for your suggestions and advice my friend

Hi baccardisprite,
really happy to come across this thread regarding options beyond MBA.
i would like some help regarding a few questions i have about Msc courses in UK
My profile is as follows
May 2009 to Aug 2009 as relationship manager with HSBCinvestdirect
Jan 2010 to July 2011 Business Analyst(SAS Analyst) with Cscape Tech.
looking for a Job change at the moment in the same field
Base SAS certified
Business Economics Graduate with 53.8%
I have my own social service venture and also a founding member of an NGO working on blood donations

i have been looking into Msc business analytics or marketing analytics as per different universities. i wish to remain in the field of analytics and hence looking for masters in the same. however i do not know much about Msc and its value and also its worth in India, would like to work in UK for some time but seems that the situation is not too bright.

the universities i have been looking at are lancaster and warwick. i have been informed by my counselor that warwick is unlikely however lancaster i can be hopeful about. however i have a lot of questions about lancaster, its reputation, services in terms of career, since i have been told that lancaster university is situated in a small town, does that impact job opportunities. also MBA abroad seems unlikely at the moment and even 2 to 3 years down the line due to financial constraints.
So is Msc an option for masters at the risk of being domain specific.
also if you could answer the pros and cons of lancaster, ways of improving your applications, info regarding Msc marketing analytics if any


I apologize to you and to all posters for the delay in responding to you. If you have already made your decision, then it was hopefully taking in all factors.

Frankly - I think going to the UK is not the wisest of career moves at your age. With
Stay in your field, rise up the ranks, gain experience and skills. Alternatively, look for another job in yours or a field where you can transfer your skills. OR give the CAT and attempt to enter a top b-school, which would more than offer the kind of education you seek.

Sorry if this isn't helpful. Ground realities in the UK / EU simply don't support your venture out there.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi,

I am really glad and thankful for coming across such a informative thread of yours.:D

My profile in short.
Qualifications: B.Tech (Mechanical Eng)
Work experience : 4.5 yrs in an Indian software MNC. Presently working as systems analyst.
GMAT : 640. Planning to take GMAT once again
Extra curricular activities : Average
Target schools: Any one of ISB, NUS, Nanyang, S.P. Jain Global school and some other North American schools

I am planning to attend MBA classes in 2013. Meanwhile I am planning to add some more differentiating points to my profile. As of now, I have started learning a french language. I will be able to complete beginners levels (a1-a2) before I start applying in aug 2012. Meanwhile I am also considering to attain another degree (through distance education) from University of London (UoL) in Economics and Management. Though I will not be able to complete the degree by Aug 2012, I am considering that this degree will help making my profile strong for next yr (in case, if I fail getting an admission).

I would like to receive ur valuable comments on the value of this degree (UoL International programs) in general and by the b-schools. Will it be considered as strong differentiating point on my resume. Or any other ideas that I should consider.

Regards,
Chetan


Chasing a UoL degree is useless if you're doing this only to enhance your profile for a top MBA. Learning French however is a practical and applicable skill. So good that you do so. There is a chance you might be able to speak with intermediate fluency by the time you leave your MBA, which is a good and attractive aspect for your future employers. The only thing is - If you're learning French, you'll need to work in an environment where you will get a chance to use the skill, hone and perfect it. Your list of schools is inconsistent with this aspect, unless you have a list of target companies where French is a predominant spoken language (if not the language of internal communication).

I'd suggest preparing hard for the GMAT and cracking 730+.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi,

Thnx for replying. I am looking to get international experience and enrich my knowledge with MS in CS/IT. Ultimately for a change in my job profile. As mentioned in my previous posts, would like to get into any of the reputed universities in US or Europe with cost (including living expense) not greater than 20k USD. Could you suggest some of the countries where education is growing good and the cost is comparatively less. I am looking for Sweden/Germany compared to US/UK. Suggest on the same as well please !!


The best European Universities where you can study for Masters in IT & Tech Management related fields are EPFL & ETHZ Institutes in Switzerland, TU Delft in Holland, the German universities in Aachen or Munich. You might need to know the local languages in order to integrate somewhat in those places and also improve your chances of a job later.

All the best
Baccardisprite
The reason I'm looking at this program is because it's curriculum is no different from MBA curriculum + it costs half of MBA + is meant for young professionals... I have a very common place profile that every IT professional from India has...I'm 2 years into IT...

I am looking at coming back to India in 2 years post graduating from the program...Given this, is it a good idea to go to HEC Paris for an MiM(mktg specialization)... How well are MiM degrees valued in India? In short is it thought equivalent to PGDM IIMs? I'm asking this because I see IIM-A feature in the FT MiM ranking list of 2011...Also, share your views about IE business school's master in international management (Sales n Mktg) program...

Certain other schools that rank high on MiM are ESCP Europe, Essec Business School, ESADE

Thx,
Nandini


The programs are unlikely to be or become as reputed as the IIM programs in India. It's about quality, selectivity and perceptions.

More importantly - what do you want to do career wise? and why do you think an MiM from a European school will help you?

Think it over and post again

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi Puys,

I am new to this website, but heard a lot about it from many of my friends. So I thought of going through threads, but I didnt find much about MS in management :shocked:, So I thought that maybe I should start a new thread or Moderator please divert me to the correct thread. I am actually new to this vast world of management, first let me tell you about my profile.
Finished my engineering from Bangalore in 2009 and currently working with Wipro Technologies :banghead: since then till date. Also, did an internship in a market research firm before joining Wipro Technologies. I have the following queries:

1. I am planning to target either of the following courses, for MS in management:
a. Corporate and Business Strategy
b. Engineering management
c. Finance
d. Finance Management and managerial accounting
e. Human Resources Management and organizational behavior
f. Management Theory
g. Marketing or Marketing Management
h. Operations Management and supply chain management
2. Can you please tell me what is the difference between MS in management and MBA.
3. With my given profile will I be getting into a decent college for MS in Management.
4. Also, I want to know what are the good colleges for MS in management.
5. Also, the ROI on MS in management and scope of employment in US or in India after doing MSM.

Hopefully, I get answers to my queries.

Regards ,
Zimba


Career goals - functional / industry ?

Think and post again - that's a long list of education you can potentially get. Would take forever judging the merits of each :-). Your career goals, thoughtfully articulated, might help you shorten your educational choices.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi,

why i particularly posted in this thread is because i want to pursue ERP Sales or technical sales post graduation. Hence i wanted to know if there are any particular MS courses that i can apply to. If true what is the value of these MS programs here in India Post Graduation.

I gave my GMAT again Yesterday, but ended up getting the same score of 610(q43,v31). I had put in all my efforts into GMAT,but could not get better of it. I wanted to know what chances do I stand with my current GMAT score. Also, since I have taken GMAT twice, I dont think I can write it for the third time. My profile is as below.

GMAT- 610 (q43,v31)
Total Professional experience-Currently 3yrs will be 4 by the time i join colleges.I am working with a IT company in India as a Tech Lead for a support project,team size of 15.
During my high school and college was running my family business for 6 yrs before joining the current company.
No other extra curricular as only thing that i did during my college days was look into my father's business.
Have a GPA of 3.4 and am a Bachelor of Engineering graduate.
Post MBA goals- Want to become a ERP sales manager/ business analyst, which will enable me to use my present professional experience.

Colleges I am planning to apply.

Joseph M Katz
RIT-Saunders
University Of georgia-Terry
University of Buffalo-Suny
Thunderbird

Please evaluate and let me know the real scenario. Also, please let me know if i would be eligible to apply for Scholarship.


Not much value by reputation, most people in India (recruiters, hiring managers and business executives) simply won't know the Katz School of U Pitt. They will care more for your experience.

Your profile isn't bad at all - particularly if your CV has a lot of achievements that generated value for your employer. You also bring client interactive skills that would be transferable easily to a technical sales role post an MBA. With the right GMAT score and a good set of essays, you can actually attend programs way more reputed than those you've mentioned. With a 720, you're putting yourself within reach of a Top 20 in the US, ISB in India or 2-3 years down the line IIM PGPX programs; all having the academic quality and the industry clout to help you get into your dream job.

I would ask you to get some classroom help to prepare for your GMAT, and give it another go for a 720+, people have done it before, so can you. Try expanding your skills by learning a language. Try German or Chinese. It may help you with an international career more than you think.

Stay patient, get 2 more years of experience, rise to at least team leadership, and then go for an MBA. In this period, learn a language, prepare hard for and take the GMAT again, and raise your ambitions and aspirations.

All the best
baccardisprite
hi baccardisprite,
First of all thanks so much for taking time and creating this wonderful thread over the past few years!! I have 5 years of experience, 4 of these with a credit rating agency and last one year is with the world bank in credit risk management. I have cleared my cfa 3rd level this june and expect to get my charter this year. I have just started researching about schools/programs. I plan to give gmat in early 2012 and apply next year (so that I can leverage my WB experience in my application)

I want to go for a PG to break into into an impact investing role (likes of ifc, acumen) or a higher position in developmental finance role in my organization (WBG or other MDB's) or at the least a position in debt/macro asset management firm. I might be able to do this in 3-4 years without another degree too, but a branded degree increases my chances and opens better careers prospects within my org too. I want to keep my liabilities to the minimum so that I have the flexibility to take risks and wouldn't be tied down.
I recently came across a cheaper alternative -LBS Mif- liked it - not too quant focused like the US ones and leads to careers paths (asset management, Corp Fin) I am interested in. However, my friends say Mif after my cfa would be overkill at an early stage of my career and advise me to go for a generic mba'ish program as I would be only doing one degree and this should open more options over my next 30 year career. Now I am confused between an mba (high cost and risky economic environment in the west; not too sure that I can the desired result from a 1 year mba in india) and a masters/Mif program. I would love to hear your thoughts on this dilemma. Other puys who might be to offer guidance are welcome too.

cheers,
apache


Frankly - going for another Masters in Finance after a CFA does seem expensive overkill to me. What's a 50,000 education in Finance likely to offer over a pretty well regarded professional qualification.

Secondly - the MiF is heavily geared towards the major financial markets which aren't exactly on fire right now.

Thirdly - the MiF & similar programs are for people with much fewer years of experience than yourself, and the career services dedicated to these programs won't be equipped to provide you the right kind of guidance to search for the jobs at the seniority levels you seek.

However, an MBA (with targeted functional electives in Finance, Strategy, Operations or specialist industry electives in technology, healthcare, developmental finance) - may open more doors across a wider swathe of industries including the development orgs like WB, IFC, IMF, WEF etc.

Think about the MBAs in LBS, Chicago, Stern, Columbia, Wharton - try getting a 700+ score and write a set of essays clearly articulating your need for an MBA and you might be pleasantly surprised.

As you would have doubtless learnt in your career 😃 - Risk (probability of an event happening) is less controllable than your exposure, your preparedness. You have the professional profile, skills and experience to pursue a multitude of career opportunities, therefore the right preparedness to expose yourself to the risky economies of the west (& the east, where the top schools also have extensive networks).

All the best
Baccardisprite

Hi BaccardiSprite--one of popular combination
I am a s/w professional working in ERP as a coder designer(basically technical) in SCM domain. I am looking for course which has the combination of both SCM & Information System. Can u suggest some good schools and colleges.

Hi BaccardiSprite--one of popular combination
I am a s/w professional working in ERP as a coder designer(basically technical) in SCM domain. I am looking for course which has the combination of both SCM & Information System. Can u suggest some good schools and colleges.


SCM is a functional subset of Operations / Technology Management. Courses and programs in this area are offered best by schools affiliated to a University that also has a strong Engineering school. B-Schools of this nature that immediately spring to mind. The programs offered are MBAs with Operations electives, MBA / MEM Combinations, MBA / Manufacturing SCM combinations or straight M.S degrees in the field. Check out websites of the below and choose the education that matches most with your career goals.

Top - MIT Sloan, Ross-Michigan, Johnson-Cornell, Haas-Berkeley
Mid - Georgia Tech, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, UT Austin,
Europe - TU Delft, TU Aachen, TU Munich, ETHZ Zurich, EPF Lausanne

All the best
Baccardisprite

Hello,

I was searching for someone who could give me a better insight to my career goals and found this on the net. Well, congrats for taking time out and helping people out here.

In brief, I am a recent graduate (female) in engineering, working as a trainee in one of the prestigious consulting firms. Though I have a bachelors degree in engineering, during my last two years of engineering, I developed a deep interest in managerial principles, foundations of business while I was managing a Forum in my college as its head. While in my last semester of graduation and my stay as trainee at the firm, I also realized that I am more interested in the research oriented work rather than the corporate business administration. So that ruled out MBA's for me as I came to know that MBA deals with the practical applications of the principles of management towards successful business. From one of my professors in my collage I came to know about Masters Degree in UK, that would provide me with the basic foundations of Management with a greater focus on research thesis that would pave the path for my interest in research (I am planning to do a PHD at a later point of time)

So for the last one month, I have being doing research (:D) on these programs and curriculum that would suit me. I have made a list of few masters program in UK, that would provide me with an in-depth knowledge of managerial principles. Also the fact that these programs look for fresh graduates with less than one year of experience added to it.

Now after my long essay on my prospective plans, I would like your opinions/suggestions on whether these programs would give me what I am looking for.

London Business School (UK): Masters in Mgmt
Imperial Business School (UK): Msc in Mgmt (12 months)
Rotterdam School of Management, Erasmus University (Netherlands) : Masters in General Mgmt
Cass Business School, City University (UK): Masters in Management
Grenoble Graduate School of Business (France): Masters in International Management
Essec Business School (France): Msc in management

Also I would also be glad if you could suggest me any other programs that you are aware of.

ps: I am giving GMAT in a couple of months. targeting a score around 700. Excellent acads with (82% in Bachelors, 97 in XII, 91 in X) with decent extra curriculors. Please don't tell me to continue with my job because I am no way interested in IT and corporate world. 😞 and I have to apply this year because if I don't go for education I am sure my parents would get me married and I am not sure of my chances to pursue masters internationally after that

I am not sure if I have bored you with a long essay. Its just that I am confused and in desperate need of some guidance.

Thank you so much in advance.



...recent graduate (female) in engineering, working as a trainee in one of the prestigious consulting firms...bachelors degree in engineering...interest in managerial principles, foundations of business while I was managing a Forum in my college as its head...interested in the research oriented work...that would provide me with the basic foundations of Management with a greater focus on research thesis that would pave the path for my interest in research (I am planning to do a PHD at a later point of time)

London Business School (UK): Masters in Mgmt
Imperial Business School (UK): Msc in Mgmt (12 months)
Rotterdam School of Management, Erasmus University (Netherlands) : Masters in General Mgmt
Cass Business School, City University (UK): Masters in Management
Grenoble Graduate School of Business (France): Masters in International Management
Essec Business School (France): Msc in management

ps: I am giving GMAT in a couple of months. targeting a score around 700. Excellent acads with (82% in Bachelors, 97 in XII, 91 in X) with decent extra curriculors. Please don't tell me to continue with my job because I am no way interested in IT and corporate world. 😞 and I have to apply this year because if I don't go for education I am sure my parents would get me married and I am not sure of my chances to pursue masters internationally after that

Thank you so much in advance.


If you're in a tearing rush to get into a research oriented career, you should know you're (due to age & lack of experience) restricting your professional options pretty much to Academia; even that is not easy. You're looking at several years as an Assistant Prof restricted to teaching basic stuff (accounting) to undergrads, and / or doing occasionally dull post-doc research for a crusty egotistical professor; while having to maintain a stellar publishing record. Above all, you need to be rated a good teacher by those you teach, or you get fired !!! Not to alarm you, but your challenges are immense, and you need to stay determined for the next 10-12 years before your efforts start truly bearing some fruit.

Secondly - if you want to go ahead for a Ph.D in Business, target the major US Schools, and at best LBS/LSE/INSEAD in the UK.

Even getting to your dream Ph.D, you might need to consider some interim education (you've rightly done so), but you might also need to take on an interim career where research, analysis, insight generation and publication are your primary function. You'll understand why as I expand further on your options (point 3)

Consider the following things:

1. Are you capable of scoring 750+ in the GMAT; or a GRE with 750+ in the Quant section, 700+ in the verbal? Quant as you need to research, verbal as you need to communicate / publish the outcomes of your research. Nearly all areas of Ph.D level academics and research are highly quantitative in nature (including HR, marketing and strategy).

2. Do you have a specific problem / issue / challenge in the field of business that you passionately want to address through research? If NOT, you would almost certainly need to spend 3-4 years (through a Masters feeding to a Ph.D, and some research in a semi-academic / professional setting) to develop this.

For entry into the top schools for Ph.D programs, applicants will normally have a clear idea on the area of research + reasonably well developed research proposal for that area, which could go towards their thesis topic. This proposal needs to align with research conducted by the academic department in the school you apply to. Example - if you have a research proposal for CSR/Sustainability, then the school and the professor in that academic department need to be either working on similar research or intending to undertake research in the sub-field.

You will need to conduct your own research into the academic departments of the schools you could potentially apply to. There's only one way to find this potential match, and that is by researching and (where possible) visiting schools, contacting faculty who appear to be conducting, sponsoring or mentoring research in the areas you seem interested in.

The process to have your interests matched with the area(s) of a University academic department's research is long & iterative. It might take you 2-3 years or longer to come to a school or a set of schools that you want to definitively apply to for your Ph.D. That will take discipline, diligence, persistence, a lot of patience and some luck; similar to the iterative research you would undertake when IN your Ph.D. The diligence in following the processes will help you articulate your future research in your SOP (the application essay) and be appreciated by schools & faculty.

If you're truly serious about your Ph.D, start on this process as early as you possibly can.

3. Applicants generally have a record of publishing their work (internal journals or industry, scientific or functional journals / publications), with the really strong ones having published and independently verifiable intellectual property (Patents, trademarks etc).

As you currently don't have a record of research and publication, you will certainly need to start with an interim Masters Degree, perhaps undertake 2 years of professional research - then apply for a Ph.D, deciding fairly early on what broad topic area you want to research, then diligently research and publish around that topic.

So your interim Master's Degree has to be a research oriented degree. Your choice of schools and programs is inconsistent with this, as Masters in Management programs are geared for professionals and have a minimal (if at all) research element. Instead look at M.Phil Courses in the UK (the concept doesn't exist in the US) - that would help you bridge the academic research gap. Stay with the good ones in the UK - The Big 4 London U colleges (LSE, UCL, King's College, and Birkbeck), Cambridge and Oxford will offer the most academic and professional opportunities and the resources to conduct your research. Use this period (2 years) and any professional experience (2-3 years) primarily in research, to both solidify your preferred research areas, publish independently verifiable work, build relationships with academic departments in the Ph.D schools of your choice, and prepare you for your future Ph.D in Management in a Top US School or LBS.

If you want to do a good doctorate in Management, the Top 20 Business Schools in the US, INSEAD, LBS and LSE are pretty much the best there are globally. A combination of experience, cutting edge resources, and functional maturity in the field of research actually makes them so. Not only do they offer 100% scholarships, but generous GRA/Stipends to their incoming Ph.Ds; i.e you get paid to research. Last but not least, the graduates from these schools are the MOST in demand globally - as professors in business schools. By contrast, not only are scholarships for Ph.Ds unlikely in the UK Schools, you will have to pay the full fare (the non-EU international student fee which might exceed 12000 sterling / year), for nowhere near the rep of the US Schools.

4. All 3 of your referees need to be able to comment on your academic study and research abilities. All the recommenders need to be able to comment on your ability and intellect to plan, strategize and execute research independently or with minimal supervision from faculty. Each of these recommenders should be able to talk about your professional work & strengths, analytical ability and intellectual curiosity - with specific examples; and why you are a strong candidate for a Ph.D program. It should certainly help if each of your recommenders (academic or professional) are Ph.Ds themselves as they would fully understand the challenges behind achieving the qualification.

P.S - as for marriage. Simple strategy - ask your parents to find a young man who:

1. Understands your dream, has faith in your ability to execute it
2. Hopefully earns enough to fund at least 2-3 years of your M.Phil in the UK

Research, young lady... research :-)

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hello Baccardisprite,

I am presently working with Areva T&D; as an Asst. Manager in Design Dept. , joined the firm 4 years back .
I am new to pagalguy and one of my friend suggested to post my profile to your for some further future guidance.


My Profile is as below:
10th : 70%
12th : 72 %

B.tech in Electrical Engineering from JSS ATE ( a private institution of UP governed by UP Tech University) graduated with 70% aggregate


After completion of my Engineering, I was selected in Areva T&D; joined the firm in year 2007. Not performing at all in CAT & XAT and other related exam will GMAT be an easy/tough exam for me?

What is the complete entrance exam structure & fees required (appearing
Fee & applying for the universities)? What will be the preparation mode & time required?

Having a work experience of power industry of 4+ years what should I be aiming further to have a secure & stable future alongwith my professional & personal growth?

If you guide me with some structural plan alongwith my above queries, I would be highly grateful to you.

Thanking you in advance & Hoping not to be a radar less ship any more.


You have the makings of a good profile, seem to have broadly understood what you want to do; though your MBA rationale seems to be a better salary right now (not wrong, but not 100% money) - you have a shot.

The GMAT requires preparation! Once you have understood the mechanics of the exam, you need to prepare the basics then go through as many simulations as you can to help you set a pace, and acquire the right techniques to solve easy and difficult questions in the GMAT. Secondly, for most Indians, the Verbal section of the GMAT is the greater challenge than the Quant section. So you might go for extra assistance out there.

The rest of your questions are a bit basic, and you'll get most of your answers on the The Official GMAT Website (GMAT website) or the websites of the specific schools.

Considering the basic level you're starting at - worry about preparing for and appearing for the GMAT over the next year or so, try scoring a 720-730+, then apply for schools next fall for a 2013 fall entry. Be prepared to shell out some cash (INR 25-40K) to take some dedicated classroom coaching in a major city like a Mumbai, Delhi or Bangalore.

On advice how to prepare, get help and coaching for the GMAT - please write to psychodementia (a PG veteran and GMAT expert) on how to prepare. The GMAT is accepted by ISB as well, so if you do well, ISB could also be a possibility for you.

All the best
Baccardisprite
If you're in a tearing rush to get into a research oriented career, you should know you're (due to age & lack of experience) restricting your professional options pretty much to Academia; ....

Research, young lady... research :-)

All the best
Baccardisprite


as usual an excellent analysis from baccardisprite of what is needed to get into top phd programs in the world. while i was researching about finance phd programs in top b'schools across the world, i came across this option from isb.
http://www.isb.edu/caf/for-researchers.Shtml
ISB - Researcher in Finance (1-3 yrs)
basically you join as a research assistant for a prof, help him with his work and publish a couple of papers. in the process you gain research skills (like communicating your work for publication in intl journals etc). isb also allows you to attend classes with pgp to supplement your skills in the required area and they also pay you a decent amount for sustenance (6-7lpa i heard). some of these researchers made it to top phd programs. lastly (most important for me) it gives a feel of a phd program and lets one find out whether he/she will enjoy such a career without committing oneself by joining a program.
as usual an excellent analysis from baccardisprite of what is needed to get into top phd programs in the world. while i was researching about finance phd programs in top b'schools across the world, i came across this option from isb.
http://www.isb.edu/caf/for-researchers.Shtml
ISB - Researcher in Finance (1-3 yrs)
basically you join as a research assistant for a prof, help him with his work and publish a couple of papers. in the process you gain research skills (like communicating your work for publication in intl journals etc). isb also allows you to attend classes with pgp to supplement your skills in the required area and they also pay you a decent amount for sustenance (6-7lpa i heard). some of these researchers made it to top phd programs. lastly (most important for me) it gives a feel of a phd program and lets one find out whether he/she will enjoy such a career without committing oneself by joining a program.


Thanks for sharing this! This is specifically the kind of role that the original poster would find valuable to bridge capability and skill gaps towards a top Ph.D. If you have done more research around this area, please do appropriately share with the wider group.

Thanks again.

All the best
Baccardisprite

Hi,

Am currently working in a product development team of ERP product (Oracle E-Business Suite)- Payroll Team(2 yrs).. Is there any international program that I can do relevant to ERP sector etc. and what options would I have to work abroad after completing them..

Prashant

Hi,

Am currently working in a product development team of ERP product (Oracle E-Business Suite)- Payroll Team(2 yrs).. Is there any international program that I can do relevant to ERP sector etc. and what options would I have to work abroad after completing them..

Prashant


Gain at least 5-6 years of experience in the field you are in, hopefully some of it would be client facing &/or as a team lead. In the next 3-4 years, learn a foreign language (German, French, Spanish) to intermediate fluency. This means able to conduct a business conversation in that language &/or operating / explaining / presenting an ERP platform to a client developed in & for that client's major language.

The best program for you (relevant to your field) is your job :-).

After about 5-6 years in total, get a good MBA with a mix of Strategy, Marketing & Technology Management electives. Recommend schools which are attached to Universities which also house strong schools of Engineering. Likely you will find these mostly in the US.

Alternatively - IIMA/C/B PGPX, you may need 6-7 years for those.

All the best
Baccardisprite
If you're in a tearing rush to get into a research oriented career, you should know you're (due to age & lack of experience) restricting your professional options pretty much to Academia; ...

Research, young lady... research :-)

All the best
Baccardisprite


Thank you so very much for providing info regarding the same.
I deeply appreciate that.

For the last few days, I had been discussing about my career aspirations with one of my professors at my graduation institution and he too suggested the same degrees (MRes) as a stepping stone into academic research.

With the help of your suggestions and his, I was able to dig into the college websites, course contents, ex-students etc... and came up with rough solution.

As you said, Masters by Research (or Research Masters) seemed to be the right for me. For, the course included taught modules on core management would provide me with the basics of research skills, methodologies and most importantly insight into Phd degree. Thats what I had been searching for and previously mistook it to the masters in management program.
So these masters might provide me the feel of research.

Yes, I am interested to take up academia as my career. When I discussed the same with few of my colleagues, they looked at me as if I am an alien since I am ready to abandon an IT job which is showering me with half a lakh per month. I scored 93 percentile in last year CAT, and though I am giving CAT, this year. I am not interested in MBA or a corporate job. Even from during my bachelors degree, I was always interested in presenting papers or giving seminars, rather than sitting in the class and listening to lectures. Most of my professors tried to convince me then and there that I might be suitable for research but in greed for a fat package job, I turned deaf to them.

I agree with you. No I am not planning to do a Phd in UK. Thats pretty expensive. I am not sure about my GMAT score. As of now in mocks I am able to score around 720-740. Bust since most of these research masters are not asking for GMAT as entry requirement, I might have a couple of more months to prepare and raise my score to 750+.

Finally, I have come up with a list of schools where I am able to find good research masters. would be glad if you could comment on the same, and if possible let me know any other good schools which are providing the similar masters.

1.Cambridge University : Mphil in Mgmnt and Operations
2. University of St. Andrews (Scotland) : MRes in Mgmt
3. University of Edinburgh : MRes in management
4. Birkbeck University of London : MRes in Management
5. King's College, London : Mphil in management

The ranking is in my choice of course content and ofcourse reputation of the schools. Let me know if I am wrong.

Also I have a vague idea on which areas I am interested in pursuing research, but since these programs don't have a research proposal as entry requirement, I guess I can pass them.

Looking forward to your reply.

Thank you so much in advance.

ps: coming to my ability to find a guy who would invest in my education, I don't think guys now are that generous. So I wanted to complete the groundwork for my research career before I am married. :grin: