International educational options beyond the MBA

Hi baccardisprite, I'm new to this forum but have been following your tips on foreign admissions. I'm a business analyst, fresh out of engineeing, working with an analytics driven firm. I gave my gmat first attempt this year and got a 700. I was looking at getting some international exposure in terms of education and work and I'm interested in continuing in analytics/consulting/operations research.

I'm looking at applying for fall 2013 for the following courses:
LSE- Msc Decision Sciences and Warwick- Msc Analytics and Consulting
Waiting till 2013 gives me a solid 1.5+ experience in analytics. Could you suggest other such courses (preferably 1 year) keeping my aim of being in strategy consulting in mind? I read the article you posted, and that adds to my conerns of getting a job out there. Makes me wonder if its worthwhile spending so much? What do you suggest? Looking forward to your 2 cents worth. Thanks a ton! :)


Both programs offer good academic quality, delivered by strong departments in reknowned universities, that will also (hopefully) possess career services departments to train you in conducting an effective job search.

The last bit is obviously important - because the UK Government will abolish the post-study work visa rules for non-EU/EFTA students graduating degrees in the UK. The work-visa itself didn't make getting jobs easier, it just allowed employers to recruit non-EU/EFTA graduates without the legal / logistical hassles and expense to "sponsor" a work visa. The abolition of the post-study work visa from April 2012, means that graduates will have to not only find a job, but also convince the employer to "sponsor" a work-visa. The 2nd part is obviously more difficult (in some industries and jobs, next to impossible) at a time when the high unemployment in a near-recessionary environment means a lot of locals/EU/EFTA candidates are available, at reasonable salaries (CTC), and budgetary constraints. Most industries will face this problem of plenty, and will simply not bother with considering / interviewing (leave alone offering) non-EU/EFTA candidates with no/low experience. As for the Strategy Consulting firms - their business model is dependent on a strong economy as well. So you will find that the McKinseys, BCG's and Bains are constraining hiring in the EU. While that opens opportunities for the Operations Consulting specialists like the Accentures, PWCs and Deloittes; who by the way - also face the same problems of plenty right now.

Unless you have the financial cushion to return to India after having made the INR 20-25L investment to study in the UK, I wouldn't recommend going to the UK right now. IF you want to get out, then think about Canada, which (until / unless the policy changes) appears to allow Graduates to apply for and work in Canada for a period after graduation without the headache of having to find a work-visa sponsor. Check www.cic.gc.ca for more details.

You could try the following - work in your firm for 3 years, gain experience, a bag of skills around Decision Sciences & Analytics for multiple client industries; then move into a corporate / consulting firm where you further hone your skills in a true client facing environment (am talking the Accentures / Deloitte's here).

Alternatively, try gaining entry into the Corporate / Marketing / Strategic planning team of a major firm within the industries you serve now (transferable skills and knowledge). Then go for the right education (MBA or Quasi-MBA) from a really top school that will open doors for you to the Consulting firms.

In this period, do two things to complement your skills:

1. Gain a professionally endorsed qualification useful in Decision Systems and Analytics - think about CIMA (Chartered Institute of Management Accountants - www.cimaglobal.com), which is the UK/Commonwealth equal of India's ICWA. This a globally recognized Management Accounting qualification, that requires you to pass a set of exams in 3 stages, gain professional experience in a hard core financial / analytics role. It can be taken by distance learning (you need to be motivated), is quite affordable, and logistically feasible if you have a British Council presence in your city.

2. Learn a foreign language to intermediate fluency. Let's just say it doubles your attraction factor to the consulting firms.

It does sound a more difficult path to Strategy Consulting, but believe me you will have a lot more to offer to consultants & their clients, with the benefit of experience than without.

If you're in a tearing rush to enter Strategy Consulting now, work hard for the CAT/Similar, get into one of the Top 4 IIMs, JB, SPJ, MDI, IMT, FMS - hit the top 5% of the class and you'll probably get what you want.

Decision Science will teach you that you can't influence risk very much. You can however manage exposure and ability / strategic preparedness to counter the adverse effects of risk. That exactly what I recommend you do with your career.

Hope that helps you, and apologies if it's not what you wanted to hear.
All the best
Baccardisprite

I am a b.com(hons) grad with decent acads. Presently doing my masters.I am interested in a masters finance program can you suggest me some especially me being from a b.com(hons) back ground how would that affect my chances of getting into a proper finance related masters degree. I am also interested in CFA which i plan to do later after pursuing a masters degree in finance/finance related.(mostly because i want to do it after getting a good job and idea and knowledge about finance)

Soham.B Says
I am a b.com(hons) grad with decent acads. Presently doing my masters.I am interested in a masters finance program can you suggest me some especially me being from a b.com(hons) back ground how would that affect my chances of getting into a proper finance related masters degree. I am also interested in CFA which i plan to do later after pursuing a masters degree in finance/finance related.(mostly because i want to do it after getting a good job and idea and knowledge about finance)


B.Com, Masters (currently), and another Masters?? You're chasing degrees. What prevents you from working? You can study for and appear for the CFA Levels while working (of course it takes motivation). Can you get into a large / small company in the field of securities analysis and research (buy or sell side)?

You "could" go to a good M.S Finance degree in the UK / US, but at your age, it's much less likely to make you an attractive candidate for any employer; than a few years of hard skills complemented with something like a CFA. Read my posts on this forum - build your 75% first!!!

All the best
Baccardisprite

Hi baccardisprite,

I was referred by sameer.

This is my profile :
Demographics : Indian ( Male 22 )

Graduation: B.Tech ( Information Technology Major ) GPA 7.9 / 10. Did my bachelors in College of Engineering, Guindy Anna University Chennai.

Work:
* Management Trainee ( 3 months ) in Capital Finance Corporation, a family owned non banking financial company and venture capitalist company. As a management trainee i was exposed to various dimensions of business and i chose certain core areas to work on after the training.
* Current role : Managing Director - Venture Capitalists IT Startups.
Panelist - IT infra structure development team. ( All this elevation is possible because its our family concern. )

Entrepreneurship
During my college, i co founded a company along with my friend. Started with just 2 employees the company grew leaps and bounds in an year with a total of 12 employees and then we sold out the company to an industry leader. In the company i took care of the marketing, finance and customer relations division. I introduced unique marketing concepts which are now being pursued by companies in the similar industry domain.

College
* During the college, i incepted the idea of a student-industry-alumni club exclusively for Department of Information Technology. The idea was taken forward and i became the first President of the Association. As a part of the association activities, i initiated an international technical fest and i conducted successfully with global participation. I also initiated an alumni scholarship scheme.
* Panelist in Entrepreneurship cell of Anna University. College provides funding and infrastructure to student found start up companies. Am one of the panelist along with faculty members and alumni.
* I was the campus placement representative of my class. I represented my class and brought 53 corporate companies to recruit my peers. During my tenure there was a placement percentage of 93% ( the rest of 7% went for higher studies, family business, etc.,)

Internship
Technical Intern : Directorate of Higher Education, Ministry of Education Tamil Nadu State. During the intern i developed an attendance monitoring system for 400 colleges across the state.

Business Intern : Nandi Dall Mills Pvt. Ltd, a pioneer agro-based FMCG company. Developed a Distributorship model to its 300+ distributors across the country. The model is adopted and is in place now.

Reason for Masters

Short term goal : Need to work in international banks (wealth management, portfolio management ) and international angel investment companies. Again back to MBA.

Long term goal : Back to my rightful company and expand it as a global bank and international Venture Capitalist company.


Target Schools:
LBS - Masters in Management ( As always every one's first choice)
LSE MS Management / Strategic Management
Judge Business School - MPhil ( I know its purely research oriented but tis freaking Cambridge )
Imperial College London - MSc Management / MSc Investment Management
CASS London - Msc Management
Univ. College London - MSc Management
Warwick - MSc Management
Rotterdam School of Management - MSc Management


GMAT : Dec 31. Getting scores around 680. Will push it beyond 700 for sure. Have mre than a month.
TOEFL: Dec 3. Will push it beyond 110.

The question is simple. How do you rate my chances here. Do you suggest any better options.


This is my profile :
Demographics : Indian ( Male 22 )

Graduation: B.Tech ( Information Technology Major ) GPA 7.9 / 10. Did my bachelors in College of Engineering, Guindy Anna University Chennai.

Work:
* Management Trainee (3 months) in Capital Finance Corporation, a family owned non banking financial company and venture capitalist company. As a management trainee i was exposed to various dimensions of business and i chose certain core areas to work on after the training.
* Current role : Managing Director - Venture Capitalists IT Startups.
Panelist - IT infra structure development team. (All this elevation is possible because its our family concern)

Entrepreneurship
During my college, i co founded a company along with my friend. Started with just 2 employees the company grew leaps and bounds in an year with a total of 12 employees and then we sold out the company to an industry leader. In the company i took care of the marketing, finance and customer relations division. I introduced unique marketing concepts which are now being pursued by companies in the similar industry domain.

College
* During the college, i incepted the idea of a student-industry-alumni club exclusively for Department of Information Technology. The idea was taken forward and i became the first President of the Association. As a part of the association activities, i initiated an international technical fest and i conducted successfully with global participation. I also initiated an alumni scholarship scheme.
* Panelist in Entrepreneurship cell of Anna University. College provides funding and infrastructure to student found start up companies. Am one of the panelist along with faculty members and alumni.
* I was the campus placement representative of my class. I represented my class and brought 53 corporate companies to recruit my peers. During my tenure there was a placement percentage of 93% ( the rest of 7% went for higher studies, family business, etc.,)

Internship
Technical Intern : Directorate of Higher Education, Ministry of Education Tamil Nadu State. During the intern i developed an attendance monitoring system for 400 colleges across the state.

Business Intern : Nandi Dall Mills Pvt. Ltd, a pioneer agro-based FMCG company. Developed a Distributorship model to its 300+ distributors across the country. The model is adopted and is in place now.

Reason for Masters

Short term goal : Need to work in international banks (wealth management, portfolio management) and international angel investment companies. Again back to MBA.

Long term goal : Back to my rightful company and expand it as a global bank and international Venture Capitalist company.

Target Schools:
LBS - Masters in Management (As always every one's first choice)
LSE MS Management / Strategic Management
Judge Business School - MPhil (I know its purely research oriented but tis freaking Cambridge)
Imperial College London - MSc Management / MSc Investment Management
CASS London - Msc Management
Univ. College London - MSc Management
Warwick - MSc Management
Rotterdam School of Management - MSc Management

GMAT : Dec 31. Getting scores around 680. Will push it beyond 700 for sure. Have mre than a month.
TOEFL: Dec 3. Will push it beyond 110.

The question is simple. How do you rate my chances here. Do you suggest any better options.


Thanks for posting.

From the standpoint of getting into one of these programs - I don't think you'll have issues with a 720+ GMAT, and a strong well rationalized SoP. Career goals seem clear.

Since you seek a career (professional, then entrepreneurial) in Financial Services, won't a finance / Investment focused Masters degree serve you better to concentrate your job search? Each of these colleges (except perhaps UCL) has a well regarded M.Sc Finance (or variants) program. At least your first target market (the banks) would be somewhat reacheable. Of course, there's the UK economy and increasing unfriendliness to non-EU/EFTA graduates.

If you want to get into Investment / Wealth / Portfolio management, (i.e the buy-side of institutional finance), that's a challenge, particularly in the UK and Europe. Apart from the economy (common), the buy-side is a fairly insular and highly networked industry. So make sure you shamelessly use your connections to get a job (if your family has them). On the way, get yourself a CFA to further burnish your professional competence.

Nothing wrong with your ambition, however you could work to help expand the company across India over the next few years, then go for an MBA (in a good finance school, taking electives in finance); get into a global invesment / asset management house, work there, come back and take your company over.

All the best
Baccardisprite

Hi ,

My profile is:
1) 10th : 76
2) 12th : 68
3) Bachelor engineering. : 70
4) Work Ex: 3.5 years in Reliance Industries Ltd (Oil & gas- Petrochemical/ Refining/) as an electrical engineer in Manufacturing-Looking after electrical operations like TQM,Material and contract management.
.
I am interested in Supply chain management/Infrastructure management/Project management/Energy management

Can u suggest any good courses in or outside india in above mentioned fields or any other field which suits my profile.. (3.5 years exp)

Hi There.
This is Aashish, age 21, just completed my graduation this year.
Currently in CA-Final, also a CISA.
I want to pursue MBA from an Internation School in the USA or the UK; immediately after passing CA.
I have no full time work-ex .
Can you help me with the requirements in context of a safe GMAT score.
Plus people are telling me that work-ex is a must to get into International B-Schools, is it true?
If yes, are there any good schools which entertain freshers like me?
I am interested in either MBA in SM, Finance or HR.
My Academics:
Xth - 85%
XIIth - 78%
B.Com - 75%
CISA - 73% .

RSVP.

TIA.
A.D.T.

Hi ,

My profile is:
1) 10th : 76
2) 12th : 68
3) Bachelor engineering. : 70
4) Work Ex: 3.5 years in Reliance Industries Ltd (Oil & gas- Petrochemical/ Refining/) as an electrical engineer in Manufacturing-Looking after electrical operations like TQM,Material and contract management.
.
I am interested in Supply chain management/Infrastructure management/Project management/Energy management

Can u suggest any good courses in or outside india in above mentioned fields or any other field which suits my profile.. (3.5 years exp)


MIT's LGO Program is the best there is (Global Operations Management MBA | MIT). It's an MBA + M.S in a chosen area of Engineering. Study the website and see what suits you best. Your M.S interests in the LGO might fit in best with the Engineering Systems Division (MIT Engineering Systems Division), specifically within the Manufacturing Sysmems and Supply Chains (MSSC) elective stream. You can also try the specialist Engineering Stream's M.S in Engineering Systems with the MSSC specialization.

Other options - TU Delft (Holland) Masters in Engineering & Policy Analysis; Georgia-Tech's Masters in Industrial & Systems Engineering (Georgia Institute of Technology ::: College of Engineering : H. Milton Stewart School of Industrial and Systems Engineering); Stanford's School of Engineering's Management Science and Engineering Program. In India, NITIE's PGDM in Operations / Industrial Engineering is the country's best program for the career areas you want to get into; and you're also young enough for that.

You will need good GREs (750 Q + >700 Verbal) for the Engineering or Engineering Management Programs; and 730+ if you do the GMAT (for LGO only). Your professional profile in a core Engineering & Manufacturing industry is certainly helpful.

Spend another year at Reliance O&G;, try and gain at least team lead roles, work hard to craft a good story rationalizing the education you seek, and learn another language (German, Japanese, Chinese most useful for Engineers) up to intermediate conversational ability. Prepare well for the GRE & GMAT, and you have a shot.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi There. This is Aashish, age 21, just completed my graduation this year. Currently in CA-Final, also a CISA.
I want to pursue MBA from an Internation School in the USA or the UK; immediately after passing CA. I have no full time work-ex .
Can you help me with the requirements in context of a safe GMAT score.
Plus people are telling me that work-ex is a must to get into International B-Schools, is it true?

If yes, are there any good schools which entertain freshers like me? I am interested in either MBA in SM, Finance or HR.

My Academics:
Xth - 85%
XIIth - 78%
B.Com - 75%
CISA - 73% .

RSVP.

TIA.
A.D.T.


Yes - work experience is a must unless you have achieved spectacular stuff in your life through to graduation. That's quite rare. Average work experience amongst entering students in the the MBA programs in every continent, including ISB / IIM-PGPX in India, US Top 20, EU Top 10, Asia Top 5 ranges from 4-7 years.

I can't give you a laundry list of schools. Come back and clearly articulate why you want an MBA/Masters NOW; and not work for another 3 years to gain proper / full time experience. And at least an example of your first job post graduating an MBA, then an idea of your long term career, and you might get valuable advice.

All the best
Baccardisprite

Thanks for your Prompt response.

Speaking of achievements, i am the youngest CISA, in India .

I have sorted out every thing i wanna be 10 years down the line.

I am pursuing CA, because it gives skills of and expertise in number crunching and understanding the business ratio.

Want to do an MBA to horne up the soft skills, needed to set up a successful consultancy.

My Plans for the future: Wanna enter in CA practise along with a Holistic Consultancy firm, which caters to all the needs of a business.

I dont wanna work now because, once I start a practice of my own, setting it aside for a few years is not what i want to do, instead MBA from a top 50 colleges would serve me better than working for a few years and then getting an MBA from the top 10.

Why a Foreign Degree would help?: I have experienced at many situations that a global exposure and an international study ambience enhances one's vision.

Also to set up a consultancy firm purely on the base of a CA degree would take at least 10-15 years of hardcore labour, all I want to do is to reduce this labour tenure by adding up a MBA or a MSc degree.

Please comment and guide.

TIA
ADT.

MIT's LGO Program is the best there is (Global Operations Management MBA | MIT). It's an MBA + M.S in a chosen area of Engineering. Study the website and see what suits you best. Your M.S interests in the LGO might fit in best with the Engineering Systems Division (MIT Engineering Systems Division), specifically within the Manufacturing Sysmems and Supply Chains (MSSC) elective stream. You can also try the specialist Engineering Stream's M.S in Engineering Systems with the MSSC specialization.

Other options - TU Delft (Holland) Masters in Engineering & Policy Analysis; Georgia-Tech's Masters in Industrial & Systems Engineering (Georgia Institute of Technology ::: College of Engineering : H. Milton Stewart School of Industrial and Systems Engineering); Stanford's School of Engineering's Management Science and Engineering Program. In India, NITIE's PGDM in Operations / Industrial Engineering is the country's best program for the career areas you want to get into; and you're also young enough for that.

You will need good GREs (750 Q + >700 Verbal) for the Engineering or Engineering Management Programs; and 730+ if you do the GMAT (for LGO only). Your professional profile in a core Engineering & Manufacturing industry is certainly helpful.

Spend another year at Reliance O&G;, try and gain at least team lead roles, work hard to craft a good story rationalizing the education you seek, and learn another language (German, Japanese, Chinese most useful for Engineers) up to intermediate conversational ability. Prepare well for the GRE & GMAT, and you have a shot.

All the best
Baccardisprite


Any program on specifically on Infrastructure management/project management or Energy management u want to mention...
B.Com, Masters (currently), and another Masters?? You're chasing degrees. What prevents you from working? You can study for and appear for the CFA Levels while working (of course it takes motivation). Can you get into a large / small company in the field of securities analysis and research (buy or sell side)?

You "could" go to a good M.S Finance degree in the UK / US, but at your age, it's much less likely to make you an attractive candidate for any employer; than a few years of hard skills complemented with something like a CFA. Read my posts on this forum - build your 75% first!!!

All the best
Baccardisprite



By my age do you mean that i am too old for another degree(M.S). :P

I was going through this forum i guess you are right on the money, i need to look at security analysis and research related job.TBH its a bit difficult to find something like that here i guess plus i am a bit confused and scared presently as we all are when we are at this stage of our life so you can understand my pessimistic attitude especially in a country which lives on college placements.But yes thats a good advise and i would be trying to follow that and pursue CFA along with it. May be later on would do a MS if i need one.(after completing L2 CFA )

HI all,

My opinion is towards USA schools. I am looking for MBA.
International Technological University
Santa Clara University
San Jose State

I want to be by Silicon Valley.

Each school has different strenghts.
Check them out.

Help me out

MiM Programs in the schools you mention are designed for a younger and less experienced demographic. IE, HEC, ESADE are well known schools, so you may not need to worry about academic quality. Two things will be a challenge when you graduate in 2013 (if you attend any of these):
...
All the best
Baccardisprite




Hi Baccardisprite,

In my second attempt at GMAT, I scored a 710. I wanted to know considering the improved score, do I apply to any business schools this year? What are my chances? I am looking at Nanyang and NUS but I wonder if I'm too late for the applications. For the US universities I would have to consider Round 2.

Also, wanted your feedback on the MISM program at Carnegie Mellon. Should I consider applying to that program?


Please help.


Thanks.
Hi There.
This is Aashish, age 21, just completed my graduation this year.
Currently in CA-Final, also a CISA.
I want to pursue MBA from an Internation School in the USA or the UK; immediately after passing CA.
I have no full time work-ex .
Can you help me with the requirements in context of a safe GMAT score.
Plus people are telling me that work-ex is a must to get into International B-Schools, is it true?
If yes, are there any good schools which entertain freshers like me?
I am interested in either MBA in SM, Finance or HR.
My Academics:
Xth - 85%
XIIth - 78%
B.Com - 75%
CISA - 73% .

RSVP.

TIA.
A.D.T.

can anyone help me?
Thanks for your Prompt response. Speaking of achievements, i am the youngest CISA, in India . I have sorted out every thing i wanna be 10 years down the line.

I am pursuing CA, because it gives skills of and expertise in number crunching and understanding the business ratio. Want to do an MBA to horne up the soft skills, needed to set up a successful consultancy.

My Plans for the future: Wanna enter in CA practise along with a Holistic Consultancy firm, which caters to all the needs of a business.

I dont wanna work now because, once I start a practice of my own, setting it aside for a few years is not what i want to do, instead MBA from a top 50 colleges would serve me better than working for a few years and then getting an MBA from the top 10.

Why a Foreign Degree would help?: I have experienced at many situations that a global exposure and an international study ambience enhances one's vision.

Also to set up a consultancy firm purely on the base of a CA degree would take at least 10-15 years of hardcore labour, all I want to do is to reduce this labour tenure by adding up a MBA or a MSc degree.

Please comment and guide.

TIA
ADT.


Slightly convoluted message, but from what you have written, here's what you communicate / imply (please correct me if I'm wrong):

1. Your ambition is to set up your own Financial Consulting firm, and to lead people in that firm (or in any job) you need the soft skills - Valid under certain conditions!
2. You want to do an MBA now from a Top 50, because you don't want to leave your consulting firm behind later to attend a Top 10. Meaning, you want to do a Top 50 now and set your consulting firm after??
3. You think you can shave a few years off the 10-15 required to set your own firm up, if you did an MBA/MSc now....

While I think point 1 is valid under certain conditions... you're a little misguided around points 2 & 3. Successful Consultants of any type (auditor advisor or CA, strategy or operations consultant) have a few things in common:

- Expertise and skill in around 2-3 industries over a period (it takes 10-15 years).
- Normally come up the ranks in their profession, meaning most join as analysts, junior auditors or associates; and work their way up. Experience, skill and increasing client interaction at senior levels drive promotion to partnership.
- Gain and retain the trust and faith of some to several clients. Clients so loyal to one consultant that; when that consultant leaves to set up his/her own outfit (exactly like you want to do) - the clients actually go with him.

Normally the consultants who start their own shops fulfill all of the above. Expertise without hard-won client loyalty is nothing. Similarly, as an associate / junior consultant, you wouldn't be interacting with clients in the highest levels of their organizations. Therefore these clients aren't loyal to you because you're not dealing with them & advising them on a daily basis. I think you get the picture....

You can do an MBA/MSc now from a Top 50, but how will you gain credibility in an industry that's shamelessly elitist with regards to where it's professionals are educated (Top Universities, Colleges and B-Schools) ????

If you're confident you'll meet the 3 points above after a Top 50 MBA, sure... go for it!

Otherwise, I'd day use your CA to practice for a few years in a Big 4 / similar, then move into the advisory side, which is more strategy & Ops consulting. Then do an MBA, and spend a few years in a big consulting firm; rise to at least Associate Principal level i.e senior enough to take a few clients with you when you move.

Hope that helps you.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Unused minds Says
Any program on specifically on Infrastructure management/project management or Energy management u want to mention...


For Energy - TU Delft, UT Austin (School of Engg, McCombs School), UC Berkeley (School of Engg & Haas School)

Infrastructure - Check out the US News & World Report's America's Best Graduate Schools 2011/2012 (available on-line for a fee or any big book shop), and look for Universities with the Top Engineering M.S Programs in Civil / Environmental / Infrastructural Engg. Then check out if they have a Top 20 B-School in the same University.... You can look at MIT's LGO by combining the ;MBA with an M.S in Civil & Environmental Engineering.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi Baccardisprite,

In my second attempt at GMAT, I scored a 710. I wanted to know considering the improved score, do I apply to any business schools this year? What are my chances? I am looking at Nanyang and NUS but I wonder if I'm too late for the applications. For the US universities I would have to consider Round 2.
Also, wanted your feedback on the MISM program at Carnegie Mellon. Should I consider applying to that program?

Please help. Thanks.


Is the highlighted question driven by whether it's the right time for you? or is it driven by your seeking an opinion on your chances?

If it's the former, and given your ambitions in business / strategy consulting, sorry - you're not ready, because you're not an attractive hire for a Business / Strategy consulting house.

Unless you have done all of the below:
- progressed quickly in your company (ability to plan, execute & deliver),
- done a few team lead roles (getting yourself & others to work & deliver)
- interacted & work-in-person with clients,

Consultants are unlikely to find you an attractive hire.

The principle is your pre-MBA career is what gives any 75% of the reasons to hire you immediately after an MBA. Your MBA is the best of the remaining 25%. Do you have your 75%? If not, work - learn - progress - interact (with clients) - lead teams and get the 75%.

If you do all this and learn a foreign language to business fluency, you'll be an attractive admit for top b-schools, because they know you'll be an attractive hire for a top consulting firm when you graduate 1-2 years later.

Hope I make sense.

If your question is driven purely by your chances, well it's as good as the next person. Do you really want to judge your future by whether / not you get into school (just 25%) or whether / not you have the right skills and experience to succeed over your career the next 40 years????

All the best
Baccardisprite
This post is for those interested to start or build on specialist and business focussed careers in Strategic Operations, Sourcing, Supply Chain Management, Transportation and Logistics. These careers are of three types:

...

Have a look at these, all the best.

Cheerz
Baccardisprite

Next - A shorter post :-)


Thanks for the information.
i would like to have your views on ISLI (institute of Supply chain Excellence), Bordeaux Management School program.
I have been selected for that and would like your inputs
sam_tat Says
Thanks for the information. i would like to have your views on ISLI (institute of Supply chain Excellence), Bordeaux Management School program. I have been selected for that and would like your inputs


I've heard of the Bordeaux School's International Sourcing / Purchasing Masters Program (MAI), and know Global Industrial companies that have hired from there (J&J;, Unilever, Danone etc). I am not familiar with the SCM Masters, but academically will draw from the MAI so quality shouldn't be an issue.

Greater issue is around careers for non-EU graduates in the EU. The EU economic situation is really lousy right now... If you're going, then learn some French, take a crash course to be able to speak at least basic, and see if you can use the schools resources to bring your French up to business fluency. And start thinking about a job search strategy; because you're almost certainly going to search off-campus.

All the best
Baccardisprite