@[596963:DreamWeaver05]
my take 2...a,c,e
asin b it should be 'testimonnyof',and d is wrong... violating parallelism
Labour has to have their own plan, which advances their own thinking post-government.
Please find if there is any error in this statement.
PS: i dnt have OA
@Saumz said:Labour has to have their own plan, which advances their own thinking post-government.
Please find if there is any error in this statement.
PS: i dnt have OA
Labour is a collective noun which comprises the people of working class,so i think pronoun 'it' has to be followed by the noun - labour...
Labour has to have ITS own plan, which advances ITS own thinking post-government
P.S: Let's see if anyone comes up with any other mistakes;)
"ITS own plan" should be there. Also i think " post- government" should be replace with beyond government....
@Saumz said:Labour has to have their own plan, which advances their own thinking post-government.
Please find if there is any error in this statement.
PS: i dnt have OA
its not incorrect to consider a collective noun plural.
consider this example :
the team is playing like a contender. -- here "the team" or every member of the team is considered and so we have to treat them as singular.
the team are fighting among themselves. -- here considering the team as singular wont be any help as "fighting among themselves", how can a singular thing fight among themselves ? - so we must consider the team as a plural.
this is much "writerly" distinction.
now here,
Labour has to have their own plan, which advances their own thinking post-government.
this is much similar to my first example : so consider it to be singular. "their" is wrong ( not wrong, but with "has" it should be "its").
Labour has to have its own plan.
"Which" refer to "plan" again singular. But here changing the pronoun "their" to "its" will create a pronoun ambiguity,
Labour has to have its own plan, which advances its own thinking post-government. - not sure what "its" is referring to, labor or plan. So we must use "labour's own thinking".
@[517641:Saumz] : are you sure you copied the question correctly. I think that there should be "with" after advances. But not a particular distiction for any wrong sentence.
Hope this helps !!
@[601147:avik.ch] yes the stmt s correct..Crosschecked it
@[601147:avik.ch]
you nailed it, the comma.. How did I miss it.
SC has never been my strong suite... your post was enlightening. Thanks !
@[601147:avik.ch]
Thanks man!!
pronoun refers to nearest noun..
so here second their is referring to plan..
so then does it become..
Labour has to have their own plan, which advances labour's own thinking post-government.
as suggested by you
@[557141:theshepherd] @[557141:theshepherd] can you please provide an explanation why other sentences are wrong?
@Saumz said:Thanks man!!
pronoun refers to nearest noun..
so here second their is referring to plan..
so then does it become..
Labour has to have their own plan, which advances labour's own thinking post-government.
as suggested by you
It is not a ground breaking rule that a pronoun must refer to the closest noun. Here is a GMAT SC ( In GMAT, pronoun usage is tested extensively) :
While depressed property values can hurt some large investors, they are potentially devastating for homeowners, whose equity - in many cases representing a life's savings - can plunge or even disappear.
here, "they" clearly refer to property values and not large investors. This type of usage is much defined by the meaning of the sentence. Consider this simple example :
ron and jim went to the market and he bought an apple
. - wrong. ( here there is a clear ambiguity). In your example, "it" standing for plan does not make the sentence so much illogical. ( if we consider the metamorphic meaning of the sentence - that plan can think). So better to eliminate the pronoun all together.
hope this helps !!
@mani0303 said:Labour is a collective noun which comprises the people of working class,so i think pronoun 'it' has to be followed by the noun - labour...Labour has to have ITS own plan, which advances ITS own thinking post-government
My issue with the usage of "its" is that i don't like the sound of "its own thinking". It is inanimate and hence can't think :). I would go with their.
If I were to re-write the sentence then it would be:
Labour has to have their own plan to advance their own thinking.
OR
Labour has to have their own plan, which can advance their own thinking.
If I were to re-write the sentence then it would be:
Labour has to have their own plan to advance their own thinking.
OR
Labour has to have their own plan, which can advance their own thinking.
@avik.ch said:
@Saumz said:
Saumz, can you post the question with answer and illuminate us on this?
@siddharthg1 said: i know it might not be a correct place to post but does anybody by chance has wren and martin soft copy?
Dude i did try the same, but couldn't find the soft copy on net, so bought the hard copy and took a plunge, and since then i am enjoying sound sleep. Every time, I open the book, I feel like sleeping and we seriously don't have much time to go through wren and martin for this cat. I would strongly advise against the same. I am sure that if guys like us don't attempt the grammar section then we are much better off rather than doing it! .It sure is gonna up my percentile :)
@karl said:My issue with the usage of "its" is that i don't like the sound of "its own thinking". It is inanimate and hence can't think . I would go with their.If I were to re-write the sentence then it would be:Labour has to have their own plan to advance their own thinking. OR Labour has to have their own plan, which can advance their own thinking.Saumz, can you post the question with answer and illuminate us on this?
Labour has to have their own plan to advance their own thinking. - You are completely changing the meaning here. "to advance..." is acting as an adverb of purpose for the verb "has", while the original one do not do so. In the original one "which...." is an non essential modifier for the noun "plan".
Consider this :
I had a cup of coffee, which contains caffeine.
I had a cup of coffee to stay awake all night.
I hope you got the difference.
In the second one :
Labour has to have their own plan, which can advance their own thinking.
please note "has" - its singular ( "to have" is an infinitive). On one hand you are considering labor as singular in subject verb agreement and on other you are considering it plural with "their". You have to keep things consistent.
Hope this helps !!
@Zcarlett said:Q3) A higher interest rate is only one of the factors, albeit an important one, that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade. a) that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade. b) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, as it did earlier in the decade c) that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, as it did earlier in the decade d) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, like earlier in the decade e) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade
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Clearly, Option b
@Zcarlett said:
Q3) A higher interest rate is only one of the factors, albeit an important one, that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade.a) that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade. b) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, as it did earlier in the decade c) that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, as it did earlier in the decade d) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, like earlier in the decadee) that keep the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade> >
@Chacha said:let me attempt this one...The sentence goes like this...A higher interest rate is only one of the factors, YADA... YADA..., that keeps the housing market from spiraling out of control, like it did earlier in the decade.FactorS is the key thing here... of which Higher interest rate is one. So Factors that keepELiminates -- A and CLike - is used for comparison...As for examples...Bingo as in our question.So eliminate- D and EIMO BYADA YADA.. is the clause we dont care about, extraneous info marked my comma.
Please help in this case similar to above questions : @[455871:Chacha] , @[535064:Zcarlett] ,@[601147:avik.ch]
Ram is one of the few professors who know/knows English well....
No OA... made up question myself.... just to understand that the concept in the above question i have understood or not (keep/keeps)
@techsurge said:Please help in this case similar to above questions : @Chacha , @Zcarlett ,@avik.chRam is one of the few professors who know/knows English well....No OA... made up question myself.... just to understand that the concept in the above question i have understood or not (keep/keeps)
@techsurge said:Ram is one of the few professors who know/knows English well....No OA... made up question myself.... just to understand that the concept in the above question i hd or not (keep/keeps)Are you sure this is a cat question? Do cat test this kind of complex subject-verb agreement as the original question was a GMAT question. Solely for knowledge purpose, here are the explanations:
Ram is one of the few professors who know English - (similar to the original question and your example)
it's clear that there are MANY other professors, ALL of whom know English and Ram is one of them. since there are many professors - "know" is perfect.
Ram is the only one of the few professors who know/knows English. (see how the meaning change and hence the subject verb agreement)
it's clear that there are many professors, but NONE OF THEM EXCEPT Ram knows English. Since Ram is the ONLY ONE, we should use the singular "knows".
Hope this helps!!
new to this thread..and giving cat exam first tym..plz help how to do this section with accuracy..any study material that makes this part strong..any link for this section..
plz help..want to start with this section as soon as possible
@[601147:avik.ch]
buddy in both the sentence you changed "one" to "only one",,, does simple "Ram is one of the few" wrong in any sense ???
and your first statement "only one of the few Professors" is too complex to understand ?????
please be a little explicit
@avik.ch said:Are you sure this is a cat question? Do cat test this kind of complex subject-verb agreement as the original question was a GMAT question. Solely for knowledge purpose, here are the explanations:
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Ram is only oneof the few professors who know English - (similar to the original question and your example)it's clear that there are MANY other professors, ALL of whom know English and Ram is one of them. since there are many professors - "know" is perfect.> >
> >Ram is the only one of the few professorswho know/knows English. (see how the meaning change, hence the subject verb agreement)> > it's clear that there are many professors, but NONE OF THEM EXCEPT Ram knows English. Since Ram is the only one, we should use the singular "knows".> >Hope this helps!!
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@techsurge said:
buddy in both the sentence you changed "one" to "only one",,, does simple "Ram is one of the few" wrong in any sense ???
and your first statement "only one of the few Professors" is too complex to understand ?????
please be a little explicit
i edited my post twice - you quoted my unedited post. the words are overlapping in my writing place, uncomfortable !!
anyway - writing it again
Ram is one of the few professors who know English. -
it's clear that there are MANY other professors, ALL of whom know English and Ram is one of them. since there are many professors - "know" is perfect.
Ram is the only one of the few professors who knows English. -
it's clear that there are many professors, but NONE OF THEM EXCEPT Ram knows English. Since Ram is the ONLY ONE, we should use the singular "knows".
Now i think its clear !!