mysoreguy wrote: guys chillax.... MBA at sp jain or iims is not the end of the world...i can see so many sorry faces in here.....i dont know y u r so disgusted....those institutes lost u guys....jus show them how good u r..and make them repent for not taking u in...
Thats the spirit!! lets convert those we have got....and lets move ahead....goodluck to all of you...we deserve better!!
I agree! And as u might have guessed i didn't get a call either! like u guys said its their loss!!
B4 the 1st list of calls were out, I had posted my profile in this forum, and I had got a response of "You are thier dream student".. I felt the same... not dream student exactly, but definitely had all they look for.
Well.... no more guesses...no calls....
And don't want 2 feel bad about it anymore. Spent last night hoping for the best, n now I feel it's not worth crying over any more.
All the best to the guys n gals who got calls.
And let the rest of us look forward 2 a better 2mrw. We've a great future elsewhere.
I just saw that dreaded message again..... guess now the final list is out and i am not there.... it really feels bad when u see these messages again again on different websites ( different institutes) 😞 .
reading one of the earlier posts where in one of us got a call last year and this year inspite of having added to his credits and he still hasnt got a call so i seriously dont understand wht these SP ppl look at.... i too have a decent CAT percentile of 96.8 and good academics, and even 8 months of work-ex .... and my extra curriculars and my community service has also been overlooked by the people at the ADCOM of SP..... if SP ppl are seeing what we have given in the form then i wonder why many of us here dont have calls inspite of fullfillng many of their requirements......... its may be that the person evaluating our form dint like us and we have to bear the brunt...... guys think about this and u would realise what i am trying to say.......
i really wanted a SP call...... but.....
bhavik m pandya......
hey barricuda kya bhul gaya kya....... ym per message karna???
Bhavik, heres my two cents...
1) Admissions criteria are dynamic, they change from year to year depending on the performance of current batch, feedback from corporates and the academia
2) If everyone on pg had written good essays a good percentile and good acads.....then shouldnt everyone get a call? Point is, out of 20k applicants if u have to call 1000....thats 1 in 20.....think about it...
Got the call. I got the mail from SP Jain yest itself arnd 7:40 pm, but I checked my mail just now I had forgotten my registration number to check on the website, so I was looking for the original mail from Mrs Varsha Parab and found this one
Profile:
X - 86% XII - 92% B.E(E&C;) - 69% from B.U WorkEx - 3+ years in IT
Decent essays, extra-currics - applied online, got the SPJ Dubai cd only last week .. so I was kinda hopeful that my app had not been rejected in 1st round itself .. mebbe it was .. who cares!
hey barricuda kya bhul gaya kya....... ym per message karna???
Hey sorry man Bhavik....I saw a couple of posts from u yesterday, so I thought u musta come back from blore ....people have confirmed for sure that the results ewre out today morning only....till then it wuz only speculation......
dont worry about the call dude.....theres always a next time 😃
Just had a doubt as to what kind of evaluation SPJIMR does on a application form. I had an interview call with them last yr. and din convert. Was still in my final yr of graduation last yr with 96% in cat. This yr i submitted a better form i.e. better essays, 9 months work-ex!!, additional education, more social work and a 97% in cat!! etc etc
DID NOT GET AN INTERVIEW CALL EVEN!!
IF i was good enough for them last yr, why not this time??I've only enhanced and added to my skills! Really can't understand what goes through the minds of adcom before deciding on a candidate's future. Can someone help me rationalize this in my head? Feeling utterly disgusted and dejected!!
B-Schools like SP Jain should make their selection criteria more transparent. They should have some fixed benchmarks as selection criteria rather than depending on the whims and fancies of the evaluators. Enigma's case is a glaring example of it. Else, down the line, SPJ will lose its credibility and no one will want to apply to an eccentric b-school like SPJ.
Just had a doubt as to what kind of evaluation SPJIMR does on a application form. I had an interview call with them last yr. and din convert. Was still in my final yr of graduation last yr with 96% in cat. This yr i submitted a better form i.e. better essays, 9 months work-ex!!, additional education, more social work and a 97% in cat!! etc etc
DID NOT GET AN INTERVIEW CALL EVEN!!
IF i was good enough for them last yr, why not this time??I've only enhanced and added to my skills! Really can't understand what goes through the minds of adcom before deciding on a candidate's future. Can someone help me rationalize this in my head? Feeling utterly disgusted and dejected!!
B-Schools like SP Jain should make their selection criteria more transparent. They should have some fixed benchmarks as selection criteria rather than depending on the whims and fancies of the evaluators. Enigma's case is a glaring example of it. Else, down the line, SPJ will lose its credibility and no one will want to apply to an eccentric b-school like SPJ.
I don't agree with what u say. Let me ask you have iim's declared what is their selection criteria and we still strive for it right. I agree they need to be more transparent, but that does not mean that they wud loose credibility in any way. Infact I feel they are more transparent because they already mention what all things they consider in short listing not like iim's who just depend on the very little information we mention on the CAT form. Atleast in SPJ we fill lot more than that....
this is my take on essays....not all five fingers are same so not all people think alike. Someone wud find my essays good this time...but does that gurantee that he/she wud find the same essays good next time around....no na...infact on first reading i might like the essays but on second wud not be so impressed. Plus when so many people who fill the form are saying that they all filled decent essays than how can we decide whether they wud like our essays or not.
Plus some people mention abt their work ex not getting counted.....I have 4+ yrs of work ex and from what little i know abt industry....8 months or 9 months don't count much in terms of weightage. this is only considered a little more than a fresher.....1-1.5 yrs is the benchmark....and still many companies who come to campuses ask for atleast 20-24 months for laterals...i hope u got my point.
My feeling abt work ex is it takes atleast 3-4 (probably a little less in case of studs) months for fresher to complete the initial training on technical skills, get knowledge abt the company processes, project and other things and only after that the person becomes a little productive. even for people who have experience it takes around a month or so to get completely accustomed to the new place and new project work etc.... This i am talkin frm IT industry perspective....
guys even i havet got thorugh work ex with india leading invbestment bank + good essays but i think my percentile was very low so ... i did not get through beacuse of that it seems ... whatever man this " soory u have not been short listed pisses the shit out of me:
i would beg to differ on this case..We are kind of assuming IIMs to be the benchmark in the selection process which might or might not be true.. If SPJain's endeavour is really to be more transparent, they could very well tell us a bit more of the selection process... I have heard some of us raise their doubts over the role the coaching institutes will play in that case.... which might be a far fetched assumption..
i am not complaining, but have a solid work ex of 41 months in MNCs that too in pure marketing ...have decent acads...( here i would like to point out that it would be very difficult for someone to judge your % in engg as univ. tend to vary a lot in the way they award %-ages ... the range is so large that it requires a solid database to really make a qualitative judgement.. )...
As for the CAT %-ile i got 94.. as for the social front.. i do have decent credentials...
As for the essays, i did put a lot of mind into it... talking to a lot of ppl and revising the same...
inspite of having the so called "profile", i am not able to get selected...
the idea is not to complain but to have an objective analysis of the case in front of us...
there are always two things which form a part of the endeavour,, they are "spirit and letter".....
i hope they carry out the process in the right spirit......
i would beg to differ on this case..We are kind of assuming IIMs to be the benchmark in the selection process which might or might not be true..
I would like to know who doesnot assume iim's to be benchmark....isn't iim's coming first on all our radar screens...when it come to mba in india...
If SPJain's endeavour is really to be more transparent, they could very well tell us a bit more of the selection process..
Which specific information do you require abt their selection process? See if it comes to essays it so very subjective....We can't read into the mind of the person who is reading our essays....can we??....had that been the case we all wud have gr8 essays and that is not the case....
I have heard some of us raise their doubts over the role the coaching institutes will play in that case.... which might be a far fetched assumption..
Can't comment much on it...but school of repute would not need to ask coaching classes to fill their seats...Plus their brand name also does not suggest anything like this....
i am not complaining, but have a solid work ex of 41 months in MNCs that too in pure marketing ...have decent acads...( here i would like to point out that it would be very difficult for someone to judge your % in engg as univ. tend to vary a lot in the way they award %-ages ... the range is so large that it requires a solid database to really make a qualitative judgement.. )...
I agree %ages vary across univ and also across streams...seldom heard of a mechie in mumbai getting 70+ but heard tronics people regularly touching 80's. Thats why I feel acads wud have weightage but not so much to impact the calls....unless u really have a pathetic acds like 40% or so....Plus in your case if everything was good as u mentioned than probably they wud have certain fixed number of people they want to call for mktg with exp.....and unfortunately u didnot have luck on your side in that case..
As for the CAT %-ile i got 94.. as for the social front.. i do have decent credentials...
As for the essays, i did put a lot of mind into it... talking to a lot of ppl and revising the same...
inspite of having the so called "profile", i am not able to get selected...
According to me most of the people here say that they have decent profiles and in majority of case it is true as well.....so not all can get selected right. Once again restating my point abt essays is that its all in the perception of the reader. See many of us mentioned that they have done some sort of social service....but what mistake i think people wud be committing is trying to put over emphasis on this and person reading would get the impression that the person is trying to influence or bluff. My friend frm spj whose help I took suggested me also to tone down my comments on this front and not to let this point take over other points which are worth mentioning as well and now to think over it i realize how right he was....
I think all instis have the right to decide their and admit criteria.....and they dont have to be overly transparent about it too.....If a college like SPJ had to lose their credibilty bcoz of the admit criteria they wud have lost it by now......those who think they a had a near perfect profile which merited a call but did not actually get one have got to take it as bad luck...i there is a luck factor in everything whether it is in ur favour or not.....so no point in blaming the instis....although i wish they wud clean up their act and not make everyone anxious like SPJ did this year, both with the first and second interview lists......
Got the call. I got the mail from SP Jain yest itself arnd 7:40 pm, but I checked my mail just now I had forgotten my registration number to check on the website, so I was looking for the original mail from Mrs Varsha Parab and found this one
Profile:
X - 86% XII - 92% B.E(E&C;) - 69% from B.U WorkEx - 3+ years in IT
Decent essays, extra-currics - applied online, got the SPJ Dubai cd only last week .. so I was kinda hopeful that my app had not been rejected in 1st round itself .. mebbe it was .. who cares!
i didn't got call though i have pretty decent scores(i guess) cat - 97.4 X,XII - 87% B-Tech - 9(10) 6 months ex .. as of now .. n i guess answers were also quite ok ... i don't know what the hell they r seeking for ...
Well, when i was talking of bench-marking , it was with respect to the transparency in the process.w.r.t this IIMs' can't be treated as a benchmark...i hope we can agree on this...
Coming to the pt of transparency, they can very well tell us what % of weightage they give to acads,work-ex,cat score... by merely stating that cat score by itself doesn't guarantee a call doesn't make the process any more transparent.. its just a disclaimer...
If essays are so very subjective and form an important part in the selection , then where is the objectivity in the process?
I do hope, that an insitute of the caliber of spjain, can definitely come up with a more objective process... i don't see any reason why looking into the existing process will erode their brand image...
well regarding the social front.... just because you have seen a bad apple among the lot doesn't necessarily make u look at everyone through the same set of glasses..i think its only a part of brand-building.. by claiming that we take socially sensitive indiviudals....
well , these are strictly my views... finally it all boils down to the employability of the candidate concerned... its like an immigration process where u get certain points for your academics,work-ex, awards etc... the more employable u are , the more chances of getting through the process in a faster manner..
guys i think from now on we must not expet anything from any institution irrespective of its popularity and stature because they seem to be Gauging our expectations only too well and are very good at breaking them.
I guess these discrepancies about calls are bound to occur in examinations where you have such major competition. If the institutes say that their cutoff is 95%, then they have to find a reason for taking in only abt 200/300 of teh multitude of people who have a score above 95%. Essays and stuff is just subjective, you really cant challenge them as "I had written excellent essays still I do not have a call". There would be just too many people with gr8 CAt scores, gr8 essays and work-ex. The institute has to chuck out soem of them!!
may be ur right manasee .. but still its better if they clearly show marking system according to all the criteria so that we can work upon areas where we r lacking ..