[2010-12] Discussion thread for TISS HRMandLR GDPI call getters

Zain Imfy, You make a fair point there. But there is another argument which says that the country loses out on competitiveness due to these archaic labour laws. In fact there is increasing clamour for labour law reforms and mainly from the industry as rightly pointed out above in this thread.

The laws might prevent a lot of things but firms find ways to deal with this - Contract labour is one such example, outsourcing another ..

Regards
Anvesh


This is turning out in to a interesting discussion on "Need for reforms to Labor Regulations"

To add to your discussion,
Ways to ensure that the labor does not loose out due to reformed laws are

1)By creating market conditions that result in greater demand for labour and thereby increase the ability of workers to ask for more and realistically expect the demands to be satisfied. "

2)HRD programs to enhance the skills of workers over a period of time will ensure that they are always in demand.

If neither of these things happen, then the skill set of the workers will be obsolete and companies will not be able to employ them profitably.

Case:
Companies investing in SEZ's are excluded from allowing employee's forming Labour unions. This in a big way has encouraged companies to invest there.
Even West Bengal has agreed for such changes in their attempt to adapt to changing and challenging world.

So u do not see any strikes etc.. in IT/ITES SEZ units even if they are unpaid for overtime or sacked with out proper notice.

Please add your views.

-Kartheek

@ Avnesh..i agree..change is indeed necessary and that's why i said that discussions should be there! Trade unions of the 1960s and of today have evolved and there's now an understanding between the unions and the management of most pvt companies and both parties respect each others constraints and adapt accordingly (barring a few problems@honda and other companies).

Nowadays there are courses which help in the HR managers and the trade union people learn the new ways of the businesses (TISS's MA in Globalisation and Labour and the course we are preparing to get into, MA in HRM & LR). All this without any major change in our labour laws! This is a direct result of increased knowledge about the global scenario. (Thanks to the diversity in the world, everyone knows the advantages and disadvantages of capitalism and communism, and both the management and workers know that they need to change in order to survive and grow!)

However, prevention is better than cure, thus to decrease the chances of disputes arising between unions and management the Government should modify our labour laws but while doing so utmost care needs to be taken!

@ All.. i don't know the labour laws in detail but i'll pitch in with a few suggestions :)

@ SEZs. A wonderful initiative! Giving tax breaks SEZs is a welcome decision because India is a country with cheap and skilled man power, and such concessions have been given keeping in mind certain factors like..

1. Huge investments in a closed area means that the company is unlikely to leave/retrench mass workers for a long period of time...

2. Most companies will be catering to both domestic and foreign markets, thus besides forex earnings, slump in demand in one market can be balanced by demand in the other market..

3. Competition will ensure that the workers get the best wages, conditions, etc.. provided they are skilled! So, a double advantage here! :D


Re labour unions- I don't think banning labour unions is the right step. Alternatively, the Govt could have decreased the powers of union leaders or replaced unions by another body headed by a GOI appointed head who would have looked after the interest of the employees and the management both (is there such a provision..i think companies do have employee welfare depts and all..but do we have govt appointed people in pvt companies in SEZs? )

The main problem arises when politics is done by union leaders or when companies don't give the employees their due or the working conditions are too bad...

PS: There have been a couple of incidents in which irate employees have lynched managers! What do you all have to say about such incidents?

Hey Is this applicable for Experienced folks also?
Conceptual wise qn's should be fine,
but in depth ... hmmmm.. takes time to brush up :lookround:

any idea of sample qn's shooted to Comp Science guys???

-Kartheek


TISS's interview will be my first interview so i don't know first hand but i have heard that interviewers do ask about some of your subjects, but not in too detail... one should just know the basics, that's all...

And with work ex people, they may ask about your organisation..itz working etc...

PS: I'm just a final year student, seniors would be better at answering your query! 😁
Some trivia on Rural employment:

NREGS: Renamed as MGREGS

Objective:
The Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme aims at enhancing the livehood security of people in rural areas by guaranteeing hundred days of wage-employment in a financial year to a rural household whose adult members volunteer to do unskilled manual work.

Statistics:
The National Rural Employment Guarantee
Scheme (NREGS), was launched in February
2006 in 200 most backward districts in the first
phase and was expanded to 330 districts during
2007-08.
-Kartheek


The National Rural Employment Guarantee Act or NREGA is an Indian job guarantee scheme, enacted by legislation on August 25, 2005.
I have confirmed the date.
Please check once if you feel otherwise.

Thanks

And no idea about questions asked to comp science ppl...

The National Rural Employment Guarantee Act or NREGA is an Indian job guarantee scheme, enacted by legislation on August 25, 2005.
I have confirmed the date.
Please check once if you feel otherwise.

Thanks


Let me clarify..

Yes. The ACT was passed by Legislation in 2005.

But once the Legislation is passed, It takes some time for the scheme to be launched and the scheme was launched in in February 2006.

So,
NREGA - 2005,
NREGS - 2006.


hope this makes things clear.

-Kartheek.

PS:
Most of the facts that I presented here are from Economic Survey, very minuscule chances of they going wrong :)
Infact , the FM presents this report to the House, so they cant take chances

first of all........whoever gets an uphand,misuses his powers.similar is the case with labours and management........in our country we have laws that benifit labours and there in SEZ they have their own rules..hidden rules...at both places there is chances of misuse of powers..........but now a days companies know that they are human resource and thus they handle them with due care....this gives labours an upper hand and thus they misuse it.for an instance...when tata steel announced that they want to mothball some of its unit of corus due to the slump in demand........worker union of corus threatened tata of harsh consequences if they mothball any unit................rather they gave tata somedays to sell those units.....as because this mothball can throw about 1600 labours directly and about 5500 indirectly.
these labours don't have anything to do with company performance,expansion,profit/loss.they just want job security.......even at the cost of company itself.that is why in america.........where most of the labour force is organised..........there is a rule that u can't go on rampage/strike.this is illegal over there.......don't remember its name...

we can be asked about the role of hr on such a situation in our gd/case study?

Hi all,

very sorry for not being able to resolve queries and get back to all of you, your GDPI dates must be nearing.. so probably a lil pensive bout it..!
our last few weeks at TISS , so trying to wrap up things here..
anyway guys, good luck for your GDPI's, TISS is probably one of the best things that can happen to you, Pretty recently after a lotta coaxing and cajoling our chairman of HRM & LR was willing to let TISS (HRM & LR) to participate in rankings, strictly speaking we do not believe in these rankings, but to our surprise we did come out with a 7th rank. nevermind these statistics, be sure and clear in your mind, only then can ur interview go where u want it to go. plz feel free to shoot queries, or u guys can ring me up as well..
best Regards,
AJ

Some motivation to all you guys : go thru this link,

Careers360 - Think higher education! Survey: India's top B-Schools. Also, schools that missed out!

Caution: Do not associate TISS with any such ranking, but i for certain know that many of you are into this entire ranking phenomena, so this post is just for those who believe in rankings etc.

To be frank TISS is above all such trivialities of the B-school circuit, & this you shall realize only when you are a part of TISS

For more on need for labour law reforms in the country:

BBC NEWS South Asia Why India needs labour law reform
What's there to reform in labour laws?
The Hindu Business Line : Labour law reforms can benefit workers too
`Reform labour laws for FDI'
Labour reform: Few tips for Manmohan Singh - India Business - Biz - The Times of India
The Hindu Business Line : `India needs to focus on labour law reform'

its nice to see you guys discussing such issues - IR/ER was, is and will remain important - especially in manafacturing. Unions are being formed even in sectors like IT/ITES where so called white collared employees work.

Regards
Anvesh

Guys,

My apologies for not being active on the TISS forums. Also apologies on behalf of my useless batchmates , (just kidding!)

ok guys for the GDPI, hmmm.. there wasn't much that i went about asking and i didnt do much of head scratching etc. But yes let me list down certain questions that must be clear in your head before you kick off:

1. Why do u wana join TISS, why not some other B-school?
2. Are u looking for placements at TISS (say no!, else u r history)
3. Why HR? & why from TISS? why not MDI or XLRI?or saw the new thingy at IMI or IMT?
4. Why shifting from your present (whatever you are doing) to HR?
5. What do u know about the course at TISS (HRM&LR;), ? (please be prepared about the course, pedagogy, and lotta other stuff that are really unique).
6. Why should we take you ?
7. Your strengths & weaknesses that may/will aid you in being a successful HR professional?!
8. Questions on family background, gaps in study years (if any).
9. Have you been in touch with senior(s)? (i had said yes, & it had worked, but remember : "half knowledge is dangerous"), ponder & decide..!
10. Questions on your work experience! (wherever you are working)
11. Question on why u dont wana work before further studies( if u are a fresher).
12. Where do u see yourself 5 years from now? etc.
I will stop here for the time being, 13 being an unlucky number !
but seriously guys, the system of selection here is so robust that its very difficult to fake it and make it! be genuine, gotta be genuinely passionate about TISS, HRM & LR, & you gotta have a certain Social angle to your intentions. Cuz when u pass out you definitely will be a more socially sensitive manager. IT may all sound glamorous and puffed up to all of you now, but trust me, 2 years in the system & i am laughing at myself now, it works & you will just not know that its working! nevermind, all this, trust me TISS is the best thing that can happen , everything here has a magical feeling, the faculty, the campus, the pedagogy, the girls , the folks from other courses, the politics, the 2 years, the hostel life, the dam green campus, and of course (you are in mumbai!), i can just go on & on .. shall refrain from carrying you all away to the wonderland. Lets keep our feet grounded, the time will come when you can fly!
REgards,
AJ

Some motivation to all you guys : go thru this link,

Careers360 - Think higher education! Survey: India's top B-Schools. Also, schools that missed out!

Caution: Do not associate TISS with any such ranking, but i for certain know that many of you are into this entire ranking phenomena, so this post is just for those who believe in rankings etc.

To be frank TISS is above all such trivialities of the B-school circuit, & this you shall realize only when you are a part of TISS


Good to see seniors chipping in at the Right time and responding to our queries..
Thanks u guys for taking time your time out of ur hectic schedules...

About rankings,
Actually I felt really good when I read the below lines in PG forums on PG Rankings 2010:

TISS is not in the rankings because in their communication to us they maintained that they are not a B School but a Social Sciences institute. In the past we have got feedback from them ( Faculty, Students, Alumni) via various channels to not put them out as an MBA institute and not include them in rankings hence they are not part of the Rankings

Yes as u said, "TISS is above all such trivialities"
May be these ranking will help private colleges to show/advertise that they are in Top20/30 in some XYZ ranking in some parameters.:banghead:

I am sure it does not matter if some one ranks TISS at 1 or 100, It has its place in HRM aspirants's perception.

-Kartheek
Some info on Appraisal Process:


Appraisal is a mechanism to benchmark individual employee capabilities. Appraisal is a periodic review of employee capabilities either on monthly, quarterly,half-yearly or more popularly on yearly basis .Some appraisals are also conducted after a project engagement or after the expiry of probation period of an employee.


The HR department designs traditional appraisal systems. The immediate supervisor appraises the employee on the tasks performed during the appraisal period and is adjudged against the goals set at the beginning of the appraisal period. The supervisor provides immediate feedback to the concerned employee and the employee in turn uses this feedback to improve performance. The manager in turn reviews this appraisal and corrects any misjudgements on the part of the supervisor.

Performance management systems are replacing the traditional appraisals systems. The current performance management systems provide an opportunity to the employees and managers to discuss development goals and jointly create plans to achieve them.

In short the entire appraisal system starts with the goal setting process, the employee is appraised against these goals.

Suitable training interventions are identified for under-performers. Rewards are directly linked to the performance levels of the employee. This entire cycle is repeated through every appraisal period.

The following are different kinds of the appraisal types
  1. 360 degree (Self initiated or Manager - Employee initiated)
  2. Self-Appraisal (Employee initiated)
  3. Multiperson comparisons
  4. BARS (Behaviorally Anchored Rating Scales)
  5. Graphic Rating Scales
  6. Critical Incidents
  7. Written Essays
  8. Management By Objectives (MBO)

Written essays that describe an employee's performance and suggestions for improvement require no complex forms or extensive training. But a good or bad appraisal may depend as much on the writing skill of a manager as on the actual performance of an employee.
With the critical incidents method, the appraiser writes down what an employee did that was especially productive or counterproductive. The key is to cite specific and key behaviors.
(Personally Experience: If ur manager does not have good written skills, ur performance will look pale in comparison to other peers reporting to diff manager)

In graphic rating scales method of appraisals, performance factors are listed such as quantity and quality of work, depth of knowledge, or initiative. The appraiser then rates each factor on an incremental scale. This method cannot provide the depth of information of essays or critical incidents, but it is less time consuming to develop and administer, and yields results that can be quantified.

Behaviorally anchored rating scales or BARS combine the critical incidents and graphics rating scale approaches. The appraiser rates employees on items along a continuum. The points along the scale are examples of actual on-the-job behavior rather than general descriptions or traits.


Multiperson comparisons are relative measuring devices. Group order ranking requires the rater to place employees into a particular classification, such as the top one-fifth. Individual ranking orders employees from best to worst. Paired comparisons rank each employee with all other employees and rate each as either the weaker or superior member of the pair.

MBO, (Management by Objectives) assesses employees on how well they accomplish a specific set of objectives that have been determined to be critical in the successful completion of their jobs. Because MBO emphasizes ends rather than means, this method allows managers to choose the best path for achieving their goals.


A 360-degreere view seeks feedback for the person being rated from a variety of sources: such as peers, supervisors, and customers. Research shows that 360-degree appraisals offer more accurate feedback, empower employees, reduce subjective factors in evaluation, and develop leadership in an organization.
(Personally Experience:Only chance to take revange on managers or show gratitude towards them :lookround: )

In implementation, the major problem with any/all methods is perception of manager forms the Key for any appraisal. Very few organizations define the goals so practically that they can be evaluated objectively.

Please add relevant content.

-Kartheek

Kartheek good initiative taken to discuss the more contemporary issues... But can you please quote the source for this information.

I have been trying to search for the latest on the labour laws as applicable to the SEZs & this is the latest that i could find:

No dilution of labour laws in SEZs: Centre

Also if you can read the SEZ act 2005 it clearly says that no modification whatsoever is possible to the existing matters related to trade unions, industrial & labour disputes, welfare of labour etc.

I could not find any such ammendments as quoted by you. Kindly elaborate.

Thanks.

This is turning out in to a interesting discussion on "Need for reforms to Labor Regulations"

Case:
Companies investing in SEZ's are excluded from allowing employee's forming Labour unions. This in a big way has encouraged companies to invest there.
Even West Bengal has agreed for such changes in their attempt to adapt to changing and challenging world.

So u do not see any strikes etc.. in IT/ITES SEZ units even if they are unpaid for overtime or sacked with out proper notice.

Please add your views.

-Kartheek
India must rework its SEZ policy

You can refer to this as well.

Regards.

Hmm..main purpose of SEZ is to attract investors by offering them tax benefits. If labour laws are are weakened* in SEZs, not only will the Govt lose out on money, but also on employment. IN short, it'll be a win win situation for the firms but a loss for the govt and the people in case of a slowdown....

quote from the link posted above

"The new law allows the minimum area for the SEZ area to be 1000 hectares (3.9 square miles) for multi-product zones, 100 hectares for product specific zones and just 10 hectares for IT, gems & jewellery and biotechnology zones (subject to minimum built-up area norms)."

This could be reformed..plus the compensation given to land owners should be adequate+job benefits for the land owners. Also, agri land for SEZs is not a good idea...

@ Seniors..Welcome back 😁