95.37 %le. general category, no chance right?
GD/PI list aai?
Does anybody has found last year's GD/PI thread ?? If yes plz paste it here. I think a lot of preparation needs to be done if you really want to crack it.... plz help
got it, the acknowledgement form some of the candidates are confused about, is the same application form which was downloaded on payment and registration- filled and duly sent with other docs.
However, the problem is that, other than this "ack-form" no details are being shown upon logging into the App-status-checker page.
@Chandrapalsingh Here you go!
http://www.pagalguy.com/forums/cat-and-related-bschools/fms-gdpi-shortlist-batch-2014-t-80168/p-3360998?page=1
Hope it helps 😃
@jayarox http://fms.edu/sites/default/files/files/Admissions%20Information.pdf
3rd week of february is now the expected time :(ďťż
3rd week of february is now the expected time :(ďťż
@CATtch2011 : I really don't know in which society are you living?
The intent behind reservation as to give 10-20 years of time to backward classes so that they can be level to the general population of the country and the country progresses together. Even mr. Ambedkar resisted to include this stupid thing in constitution but had to do so at the behest of “Bapu”. This 10-20 % reservation has been turned into harangued politics and now boasts 49.5 % reservation. Imagine a sick world where water is a luxury, this reservation is atrocious on meritous student. And the worst thing is General people “can't” do anything and those reaping benefits of it “wont” do anything !!
You are right in one thing.."pay for forefathers but only for including such a controversial thing"
@iwantgovtjob said:**** OFF
and i thought swearing, even indicative, was frowned upon in this forum..
@Wilshere19 dude dude dude...get your facts corrected. Gandhiji sat on a hunger strike when Ambedkar included the clause of first-of a kind reservation in the draft constitution http://www.countercurrents.org/dalit-mountain200306.htm. I know, I have been affected by these reservations too (when I was waitlisted for IIM A- could not convert it finally and for the next two years, I havent got a call from any IIMs). But I believe we should stop complaining like a loser that the "General" category people can't achieve something because of reservations. Just look at the Dalits' plight, read something about them. I was dead against reservation, but after working for a year along with an NGO operating in Haryana and Rajasthan- I felt like if reservation has done good to even 10 such people, that is great. and this debate will go on and on. So no point discussing. you keep your views. I will keep mine...Thank You and ATB for FMS interviews (hope you get in there so that you won't get a chance to point your finger at anyone that I couldn't make it because of him or her)
@CATtch2011 I dont really think that quid pro quo comes into effect when discussions on reservation are started..you cant really say that you didn't get in due to some SC/OBC candidate. By that same logic I might not have got in because of you as a GEN candidate or vice versa..the argument simply does not make sense.. 
Reservations are a flawed concept.. and that is something that we should protest..its like the carrot and stick model, where a sandbox is created instead of free and fair competition being the incentive. There are many ways to work around this..but there are even more reasons political or otherwise why this system persists.
Sorry if this is off topic, but thank god that logical rational debate is allowed in this forum. As opposed to just 'reserving' space for academics talk. 
SYSTEM WILL NOT CHANGE 
@ayro yaa...actually many people think that w/o reservation there chances of getting into there dream colleges will significantly improve (an ironically logical and flawed assumption). and i completely agree that there are other methods, but unfortunately as i stated before, we (and this includes our Government, we the people- of all castes) have not been able to decipher a proper solution. I know the whole system of reservation in it's present state is highly flawed for the SC/STs as well. In one village of Dausa (Rajasthan), 5 people from the same family are IAS officers and their will also get reservation. When I talked with my co-ordinator at the NGO he said that this is for the SC/STs to decide that who gets to be considered in the 7.5 and 15 % quota. I still feel that the reservation system has its pros & cons, and we should not outrightly reject the whole concept just because we feel that we coudlnt make it to the IITs/IIMs because of reservations or whether it makes our system inefficient (and for that matter even the General categories in our Government are quite- yeah inefficient and you will find lots of SC/ST IAS officers to be very efficient- something which the media never focuses on). PS- This discussion has reminded me of the basic strategy which my instructor at TIME told us to follow in a GD- don't be biased and outrightly reject or support any thing- and always remember that all things have their pros and cons- it's upto you to find out- just want to remind all of you guys what I have been told to follow in a GD. (Sorry if this one counts as a spam on this thread)
@CATtch2011 Dude, there are multiple dimensions to it:
Firstly the question is why reservation in post graduation?? MBA is a specialization course! its for people who wanna work hard, they have to crack hard competitions like CAT! It should never be for free riders!(coz they already had reservation till graduation)
Secondly, Why not make them work hard for CAT by providing free coaching? Don't you think reservation is an easy way out for them when compared to others? Such a sense must come to the people who are availing these reservations! Ex: XAT(and i respect XLRI people for taking such a great initiative)
Thirdly, Isn't reservation enough till graduation?? They end up demanding high pays without really standing out, or without proving themselves-thats the real irony!! Let them work hard at least after graduation like the people without reservation! Let them know what real competition is!!
Firstly the question is why reservation in post graduation?? MBA is a specialization course! its for people who wanna work hard, they have to crack hard competitions like CAT! It should never be for free riders!(coz they already had reservation till graduation)
Secondly, Why not make them work hard for CAT by providing free coaching? Don't you think reservation is an easy way out for them when compared to others? Such a sense must come to the people who are availing these reservations! Ex: XAT(and i respect XLRI people for taking such a great initiative)
Thirdly, Isn't reservation enough till graduation?? They end up demanding high pays without really standing out, or without proving themselves-thats the real irony!! Let them work hard at least after graduation like the people without reservation! Let them know what real competition is!!
Fourth, people with 2-4 years of work ex should be able to crack cat with high scores rather than settle for mediocre scores and becoming free riders, get a pathetic score of 60-90 and take advantage of the system and enter top b-schools like IIMs and FMS!
Fifth, reservation divides people(at least in post grad courses like mba)
Sixth, there are people with reservation(including SC/STs) who are well off (so called creamy layer) and they are taking advantage of the reservation system! i find people with surnames like Thakur, Raju(Kshatriya) producing reservation certificates! Why do they need reservation? Don't you see that reservation is being misused??
Lastly what's the use of punishing a generation of people who dunno what oppression is and giving free hand and free seats to people who dunno what being oppressed feels like?
Hope one day there will be protests against reservation on the scale of Jasmine revolution or Rose revolution if not on the scale of Delhi gang rape case.
Lastly what's the use of punishing a generation of people who dunno what oppression is and giving free hand and free seats to people who dunno what being oppressed feels like?
Hope one day there will be protests against reservation on the scale of Jasmine revolution or Rose revolution if not on the scale of Delhi gang rape case.
Bhaiyon ek free ki advice deta hu.. Leni ho to lo warna jaane do..
Itna discussion karne se achha GD/PI ke liye padh lo.. Bahot kaam aaega.. U r going in endless circles.. n spamming the thread too..
@abhishek.b11 Dude the funny thing is i didnt get IIM abcl calls for 99.51%...and it feels bad after slogging and burning the mid-night oil for 2-3 years, working hard each moment! managing work and cat prep together isn't an easy thing...and finally when the shortlists are out, you don't find ur name!! Its like the plight of talented people in a communist country!
@IIMblackifmsxl said:@abhishek.b11 Dude the funny thing is i didnt get IIM abcl calls for 99.51%...and it feels bad after slogging and burning the mid-night oil for 2-3 years, working hard each moment! managing work and cat prep together isn't an easy thing...and finally when the shortlists are out, you don't find ur name!! Its like the plight of talented people in a communist country!
This happens every year.. no point lamenting.. there are thousands who missed out.. forget it and move on..
No point in discussing it..
@IIMblackifmsxl said:@CATtch2011 Dude, there are multiple dimensions to it: Firstly the question is why reservation in post graduation?? MBA is a specialization course! its for people who wanna work hard, they have to crack hard competitions like CAT! It should never be for free riders!(coz they already had reservation till graduation)Secondly, Why not make them work hard for CAT by providing free coaching? Don't you think reservation is an easy way out for them when compared to others? Such a sense must come to the people who are availing these reservations! Ex: XAT(and i respect XLRI people for taking such a great initiative)Thirdly, Isn't reservation enough till graduation?? They end up demanding high pays without really standing out, or without proving themselves-thats the real irony!! Let them work hard at least after graduation like the people without reservation! Let them know what real competition is!! Fourth, people with 2-4 years of work ex should be able to crack cat with high scores rather than settle for mediocre scores and becoming free riders, get a pathetic score of 60-90 and take advantage of the system and enter top b-schools like IIMs and FMS!Fifth, reservation divides people(at least in post grad courses like mba)Sixth, there are people with reservation(including SC/STs) who are well off (so called creamy layer) and they are taking advantage of the reservation system! i find people with surnames like Thakur, Raju(Kshatriya) producing reservation certificates! Why do they need reservation? Don't you see that reservation is being misused??Lastly what's the use of punishing a generation of people who dunno what oppression is and giving free hand and free seats to people who dunno what being oppressed feels like? Hope one day there will be protests against reservationon the scale of Jasmine revolution or Rose revolution if not on the scale of Delhi gang rape case.
Let me try and rebut your argument point by point-
1st and 3rd are same arguments- Why not reservation till grad only, why reservation in job, why reservation in promotion? All these are same questions. Questions assuming a scenario that a graduate degree is enough to propel a person to a position where he can fight off the social stigma attached to his family by nature of his caste. So let me ask you, is it really so in our country? People from under- privileged backgrounds land up in not so good colleges because of lack of information and are not able to get good jobs.
Please try and realise the situation from a macro perspective, high caste people have educated parents and grand parents, it is not so with lower caste people. I myself have seen people from lower caste who are first in their family to graduate. The family situation is usually not up to mark in lower caste people, precisely because of lack of education in previous generations. There is high incidence of alcoholism and disease also because of the same reasons of lack of education. These facts combined do necessitate the need for reservation when you look at facts statistically.
We need people from such backgrounds to move up in life to positions where they can do something meaningful for their community. This purpose is not solved by providing reservation till graduate study.
2nd- Make them work hard for CAT. Now this is something where you are assuming that they are already not giving their best. Believe me my friend that with difficult family conditions and situations which you have not even imagined in your life, these guys are already doing their best. Also with reservation it is not so that anybody among them who gives CAT exam is selected, they have to fight among themselves. Think about this for a second, they are not able to fight with you on intellectual level but still we are making them prove their worth among themselves. Why is it that you assume that they are taking you seat? Why do you not think that you have your own level ground to prove your worth among intellectuals who have had the same family background.
4th- People with work-ex should not be preferred. Now you are making an argument which would seem absolute rubbish to someone who knows that anyone with 3 years work ex is much more suited to an MBA course and this is proven by the fact that you cannot compete even to get in an MBA course in US with less than 3 years work-ex.
5th- Reservation does not divide people anywhere. This divide has caused reservation to exist. Also IIMs do try to gauge people's opinions about it in PIs and biased people, people who are likely to be a cause of friction, are not admitted mostly.
6th and 7th- Well you might find cases where reservation benefit seems to be unnecessary but then we have this huge task of identifying such people and if you have some credible way doing it, please try and convey it to Government of India. But with this fact established that reservation is necessary, it doesn't really matter if 1% of cases are of misuse. I'm quite sure you would have done something or the other in life( being in India) which was this case of "misuse" of a benefit meant for someone else.
Lastly- Hope someday everybody in this country would be equal with similar type of family conditions available to them and a chance of a life where they can fight on a level playing field with regards to intellectual capabilities.
One last advice my friend- Try and gauge the reasons for existence of something when it has been put in place by much more eminent people than yourself (read Dr. B.R. Ambedkar), it will give you a chance of thinking like them and develop your perspective.