Hello puys, could you suggest which b-schools should i apply for ?
CAT QA+DI--> Attempts:17(hoping to get 10-11 correct)
VA+LR--> Attempts: 25(hoping to get 20 correct)
Class X: 86%
Class XII:58%
Grad(B.Tech): 82%
Plz advise.
@avinashkrjha Bhai these are all top notch and SIOM is little below my standard . Can I get anywhere with 2100 rank in CMAT sep score?
@avinashkrjha hi avinash..i have a query. I am btech in IT, work exp almost 1.5 yrs in IT services company. i want to specialise in IT related stuff. can u plz give some idea which colleges are good for IT/IT consulting/IT and operations among NITIE, IIT B, FMS n others...
@van-dam said:Hello puys, could you suggest which b-schools should i apply for ?CAT QA+DI--> Attempts:17(hoping to get 10-11 correct) VA+LR--> Attempts: 25(hoping to get 20 correct)Class X: 86%Class XII:58%Grad(B.Tech): 82%Plz advise.
As per your attempts and accuracy, you can expect to get a %ile in the range of 85-92 going by trend of last year.
Apply to
IMT
XIMB
FORE
LBS
LBS
UBS
NIRMA
For more options, get back on this thread after CAT Results.. !!
@AIM_IIM_2013 said:@avinashkrjha Bhai these are all top notch and SIOM is little below my standard . Can I get anywhere with 2100 rank in CMAT sep score?
Then you can target following colleges -->
TAPMI
BIM-T
GIM
KJ-SOM etc
With a Rank of 2100, you can apply to GIM, KJ-SOM PGDM, WELLINGKAR PGDM.
All the Best. Get back in case of further query.. !!
Tier 5 -> IIM Ranchi Rohtak Trichy Udaipur Shillong Raipur Kashipur (HRD âŽâĒs Frankensteins) [Salary Range 7-12]
Tier 6 -> TAPMI IMI Fore SIMSR GIM BIMTECH GLIM NIRMA LBSIM [Salary Range 5-9
]Tier Specialised 1 -> NITIE MICA TISSXLRI* [Salary Range 6-14
]Tier Specialised 2-> SJMSOM IIFT-D SCMHRD IIFM IRMA
[Salary Range 6-12]Tier Specialised 3-> VGSOM
i have query, why nnew iims are above nitie and sjmsom. dont u think tthese 2 are better than any of the new iims?? what is the reason ?
P.S : i am a new comer,correct me if i am wrong...
@avinashkrjha So I will be first doing normal PGDM and then go in to my field of interest i.e operational management thanks bro yo rock ____/\_____
@visionIIM-ACL said:Pretty good analysis but few observations :1. Additional factors to be considered while deciding college - Position of alumni 10 years down the line & industry sectors and profiles within where college alumni are in high density2. If colleges are bracketed against one rank taking packages mentioned , i beg to differ that package figures are not correct as per the range mentioned for most of the colleges.3. HR likes general manager - is not something agree with. I have personally talked to HRs with vast industry experience from XL as well TISS ( more than 10 years of work ex ) and they are of the view that percentage of general managers targetted is less than the managers with specialized knowledge targetted. General Managers are considered only by consulting companies, for other sectors they want people with specilized knowledge of the respective profile domain.4. No new IIM has locational advantage. Even few old IIMs do not enjoy location advantage and they too have suffered because of the same. There have been few top non IIM B-Schools which have done better than few old IIMs and all new IIMs because of locational advantage.5. In my opinion, people with more than 2 years of work ex should prefer not to join new IIMs.6. Don't just go by faculty - student ratio , do go by ' number of qualified faculties in every domain' as well.7. I strongly disagree with the fact of linking IIT/SoMs with IT companies being major recruiters - infact IITs see most number of operations ( and this is not only in IT sector ) after NITIE. What is mentioned in above analysis is the perception of a viewer and not based on truth that prevails inside IITs.8. Following analysis mentioned above " Why not join MDI, NMIMS and SIBM-P " - Is something most of the people will disagree. If we check out every possible forum and Business magazines that cover B-Schools , you will never find these colleges to be newsless and directionless. Infact, colleges mentioned doing good in term of news are actually not doing good. SIBM-P has been using very well planned news and media strategy and so is the case with MDI. Events like coffee with SIBM etc. have become the flagship programs of B-School arena to sustain relationship with aspirants.Having mentioned few of my observations, I would appreciate the efforts taken to put up a detailed analysis - we all being humans, will always miss out few things in our analysis - even i would have posted the same, i too would have missed out few points. Also, every analysis has few points which are solely based on the judgement of the person analyzing! Cheers!
1) Agreed position of Alumni after 5 and 10 years is very important. This infact is probably the most important factor if you ask me.
2) No, they are not taking just ctc into account, mostly its based on kinds of profile, like i said..packages follow profile, industry, company...the reverse may not be true in most cases.
3) General Managers are preferred to be Business Heads anywhere in the world. and not just for consulting. Any Pure Bred Management Trainee program looks to breed General Managers because they are people who can run businesses end to end or understand the entire gamut of the business.
4) Exactly my point that is what I have tried to say ð Location is and will always remain a huge factor in placements. Even Internationally thats the case and pretty much nothing can change that in India.
5) I would not like to comment because it may hurt sentiments of certain people...but since you have already said it, I whole heartedly agree with you and will go beyond to say that people with brilliant stellar profiles should also give it a miss, either try again or join another older b-school because they frankly provide much diverse profiles.
6) Don't go by Ratio ofcourse. Its like saying CAT-cut-offs are not enough to look into a candidate...but its still a measure..the best thing to do would obviously check out each and every b-school prof if you really want to see how good they are. But in most cases it is not possible.
7) This is precisely why SJMsom is ranked differently than the other soms. As you can see form the IIT-Delhi SOM case and its also true with VGSOM, IT+Business management roles are way more in number than pure business roles. Infact all most all of them are in that order. The few which are not are in operations. This, like I said, is not surprising. Profiles matter to recruiters and hence they matter to B-schools. Precisely why you have forced profile inclusion in most top b-schools today - To make the cake look better.
8) I broadly agree with you on this one. But what I am trying to say is search google for the b-schools and see the hits on news. You will get my drift and btw these things which seem over-the-top by these b-school matter a lot like you mentioned. When I say newsless, I mean relatively...search for M J Xavier for IIM Ranchi, or Mr Chatterjee for IIM-K, IMT Ghaziabad, Dr Singh? for IMI etc...Like I said, I am talking relatively. Otherwise its obvious that SIBM-P is probably one of India's best managed media and alum accounts :)
Thank you for adding on sirjee! :)
@saikatha said:Tier 5 -> IIM Ranchi Rohtak Trichy Udaipur Shillong Raipur Kashipur (HRD âŽâĒs Frankensteins) [Salary Range 7-12]Tier 6 -> TAPMI IMI Fore SIMSR GIM BIMTECH GLIM NIRMA LBSIM [Salary Range 5-9]Tier Specialised 1 -> NITIE MICA TISSXLRI* [Salary Range 6-14]Tier Specialised 2-> SJMSOM IIFT-D SCMHRD IIFM IRMA [Salary Range 6-12]Tier Specialised 3-> VGSOM i have query, why nnew iims are above nitie and sjmsom. dont u think tthese 2 are better than any of the new iims?? what is the reason ?P.S : i am a new comer,correct me if i am wrong...
Hello - They are not above or below - They are specialised.
Dear saikantha, please don't go by absolute measures. We don't have perfect answers in real life :)
Definition of better is different for everyone but what remains universal is what makes the b-schools who they are - that is what they preach and practice-what they are best at for multiple years.
Hope this has been of help.
@Legolas_33 said:Pretty good analysis Sir. M sure it would help many aspirants like us to choose the right way. Many thanks again!
Absolute pleasure :)
Like I said, I am just giving back what the community gave me.
Please be kind enough to return the favour someday to your juniors. Ok?
Best of luck :)
@DEVILISHANGEL said:1) Agreed position of Alumni after 5 and 10 years is very important. This infact is probably the most important factor if you ask me.2) No, they are not taking just ctc into account, mostly its based on kinds of profile, like i said..packages follow profile, industry, company...the reverse may not be true in most cases.3) General Managers are preferred to be Business Heads anywhere in the world. and not just for consulting. Any Pure Bred Management Trainee program looks to breed General Managers because they are people who can run businesses end to end or understand the entire gamut of the business.4) Exactly my point that is what I have tried to say Location is and will always remain a huge factor in placements. Even Internationally thats the case and pretty much nothing can change that in India.5) I would not like to comment because it may hurt sentiments of certain people...but since you have already said it, I whole heartedly agree with you and will go beyond to say that people with brilliant stellar profiles should also give it a miss, either try again or join another older b-school because they frankly provide much diverse profiles.6) Don't go by Ratio ofcourse. Its like saying CAT-cut-offs are not enough to look into a candidate...but its still a measure..the best thing to do would obviously check out each and every b-school prof if you really want to see how good they are. But in most cases it is not possible.7) This is precisely why SJMsom is ranked differently than the other soms. As you can see form the IIT-Delhi SOM case and its also true with VGSOM, IT+Business management roles are way more in number than pure business roles. Infact all most all of them are in that order. The few which are not are in operations. This, like I said, is not surprising. Profiles matter to recruiters and hence they matter to B-schools. Precisely why you have forced profile inclusion in most top b-schools today - To make the cake look better.8) I broadly agree with you on this one. But what I am trying to say is search google for the b-schools and see the hits on news. You will get my drift and btw these things which seem over-the-top by these b-school matter a lot like you mentioned. When I say newsless, I mean relatively...search for M J Xavier for IIM Ranchi, or Mr Chatterjee for IIM-K, IMT Ghaziabad, Dr Singh? for IMI etc...Like I said, I am talking relatively. Otherwise its obvious that SIBM-P is probably one of India's best managed media and alum accounts Thank you for adding on sirjee!
No need for thanks buddy ð Good to see such an analysis and an open house to put forth the views on the same !! ð
To add to your point number 3, though General Managers are preferred for Business Head profiles, generally companies prefer that respective employees would have worked in diverse domains and have fetched good experience - people who join even in General Management profiles are expected to work in different domains before being considered for profiles which need good knowledge of business as a whole.
In nutshell, once a person has performed well in specialized domain for a good number of years, then the person is put in higher accountability positions in other domains before being moved to positions like Business Heads etc where General Management experience is preferred. In one line, they dont prefer people with General Management MBA that much as they prefer people with experience in different domains for such positions.
Cheers!
To add to your point number 3, though General Managers are preferred for Business Head profiles, generally companies prefer that respective employees would have worked in diverse domains and have fetched good experience - people who join even in General Management profiles are expected to work in different domains before being considered for profiles which need good knowledge of business as a whole.
In nutshell, once a person has performed well in specialized domain for a good number of years, then the person is put in higher accountability positions in other domains before being moved to positions like Business Heads etc where General Management experience is preferred. In one line, they dont prefer people with General Management MBA that much as they prefer people with experience in different domains for such positions.
Cheers!
@DEVILISHANGEL said:Absolute pleasure Like I said, I am just giving back what the community gave me.Please be kind enough to return the favour someday to your juniors. Ok?Best of luck
Certainly sir 
. Although I am not an oldie but have regularly followed PG for the last 2 years and this comm has given me so much.I just hope I reach my destiny this year 
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. Although I am not an oldie but have regularly followed PG for the last 2 years and this comm has given me so much.I just hope I reach my destiny this year .Cheers!
@visionIIM-ACL said:No need for thanks buddy Good to see such an analysis and an open house to put forth the views on the same !! To add to your point number 3, though General Managers are preferred for Business Head profiles, generally companies prefer that respective employees would have worked in diverse domains and have fetched good experience - people who join even in General Management profiles are expected to work in different domains before being considered for profiles which need good knowledge of business as a whole.In nutshell, once a person has performed well in specialized domain for a good number of years, then the person is put in higher accountability positions in other domains before being moved to positions like Business Heads etc where General Management experience is preferred. In one line, they dont prefer people with General Management MBA that much as they prefer people with experience in different domains for such positions.Cheers!
What I was trying to point out is
1) Relative ease of becoming business head
2) If you are in lets say FMCG, The hr head will not become the ceo anytime soon.
3) FUnctional heads have a better chance if they decide on their future from early on.
4) Like I said, you pretty much ahve to be a COO to become a CEO.
But can we say that for all specialisations?
Thank you again! :)
@DEVILISHANGEL said:What I was trying to point out is 1) Relative ease of becoming business head2) If you are in lets say FMCG, The hr head will not become the ceo anytime soon.3) FUnctional heads have a better chance if they decide on their future from early on.4) Like I said, you pretty much ahve to be a COO to become a CEO.But can we say that for all specialisations?Thank you again!
1. Most of the CEOs in FMCG sector are those who started their career in Marketing profiles! Infact around 40% of the CEOs of fortune 100 companies began their career in sales/marketing profiles followed by around 20 percent with those who began it in Operation profiles.
2. Functional heads as well as COOs are mostly those who began their career in specialized domains ð
I agree that HR head cannot become CEO soon but same is not true for Chief Operating Officer or CMO ! ð
Anyways, i think this discussion is never ending if we dont go by facts ð
Cheers!
2. Functional heads as well as COOs are mostly those who began their career in specialized domains ð
I agree that HR head cannot become CEO soon but same is not true for Chief Operating Officer or CMO ! ð
Anyways, i think this discussion is never ending if we dont go by facts ð
Cheers!
i did 10 in quants with 95% accuracy and 19 in verbal with 90 % accuracy.
how much should i expect in percentile?? will i b able to apply for fms??
i am a general candidate.
@sudeep.goswami said:i did 10 in quants with 95% accuracy and 19 in verbal with 90 % accuracy.how much should i expect in percentile?? will i b able to apply for fms??i am a general candidate.
You can expect somewhere near 75-80%ile as per last year's trend.
FMS is almost out of reach now.
hi, out of 38 attempts how many should be right to get 80 to 85 % tile?
@kimi21 said:hi, out of 38 attempts how many should be right to get 80 to 85 % tile?
Around 30 (Approx) as per trends.
Though it could vary as per difficulty level of the slot.
@avinashkrjha in CAT exam i have attempted 52 questions out of which atleast 38 questions are correct....
i am expecting around 95-105 marks.....how much percentile can i expect??
@krishnaRNVSS said:@avinashkrjha in CAT exam i have attempted 52 questions out of which atleast 38 questions are correct....i am expecting around 95-105 marks.....how much percentile can i expect??
please suggest some colleges for which i can apply???