Certifications for profile building

Hi Wayne, just bumped into this thread and must say, really good suggestions πŸ˜ƒ Well, I need some myself.

I'm just about to finish my MBA and got placed in Central Bank of India at Scale II. I'll have to undergo a 45-day training after which I have to choose a division to work with, which could be either of Risk Management, Forex, Treasury among others. Even my seniors who joined CBI wanted to work with Treasury and they got it. Now I have a few questions:

1. Which are the other fields of banking I could work in apart from the ones I mentioned (or rather were mentioned to us in their ppt)? Could you explain in brief the kind of work I would be required to do in each of them?

2. They mentioned that we would be given locational preference as well, and our seniors got that too. However, I'm not very keen on working in a metro; I'm more of a tier-II city kind of a guy. Do I only get to work with the "big profiles" in the big cities (which seems logical to me) and just be another manager in the tier-II cities?

3. The FLIP certifications that you mentioned, would it help if I took those before joining or should I just wait for the training they provide?

4. What are the perks PSB employees get over and above their in hand component?

It would probably be some hard work for you to reply to this, but I hope you would :)


Hi Folks,

Glad the posts were a bit of help to you folks. Never knew that a couple of my posts would elicit such a response :)

@Avinav and everyone else who has PMed me .....Apologize for the delay in my reply since i'm not very regular on the forum these days......a bit tied up with work this week ..but will def try and respond to each of your queries by the weekend.

Cheers,

Wayne

puys cud u help me know these-

is it necessary to have a U.S. bachelor's degree for cfa courses ?when are these exams conducted and is there any work ex required for it ?how many levels are there and when are the exams being conducted ? how wud u rate it if compared to ICFAI'S CFA.thanks in advance :

puys cud u help me know these-

is it necessary to have a U.S. bachelor's degree for cfa courses ?when are these exams conducted and is there any work ex required for it ?how many levels are there and when are the exams being conducted ? how wud u rate it if compared to ICFAI'S CFA.thanks in advance :

nope.......u just need to be a graduate from a recognized university
1st level is conducted in june n dec each year....2nd n 3rd level are conducted in june nly...
only 3 levels are there
after cfa course u can apply for charter only if u have a 4 year work ex in finance field
CFA is BAAP of all financial courses......u ll get a really gud job after completing it..but its a expensive course....n u need to have relevant work ex!
m planing to take cfa level 1 in dec dis year,,,if u r from delhi...we can also share notes etc....!
nope.......u just need to be a graduate from a recognized university
1st level is conducted in june n dec each year....2nd n 3rd level are conducted in june nly...
only 3 levels are there
after cfa course u can apply for charter only if u have a 4 year work ex in finance field
CFA is BAAP of all financial courses......u ll get a really gud job after completing it..but its a expensive course....n u need to have relevant work ex!
m planing to take cfa level 1 in dec dis year,,,if u r from delhi...we can also share notes etc....!

thanx dear ! cud u tell me how many years of work ex is required and only in finance,even i intend to take it but currently i don't have any work ex just completed my grad in 2009 and yes i am from delhi !
Hi Wayne, just bumped into this thread and must say, really good suggestions πŸ˜ƒ Well, I need some myself.

I'm just about to finish my MBA and got placed in Central Bank of India at Scale II. I'll have to undergo a 45-day training after which I have to choose a division to work with, which could be either of Risk Management, Forex, Treasury among others. Even my seniors who joined CBI wanted to work with Treasury and they got it. Now I have a few questions:

1. Which are the other fields of banking I could work in apart from the ones I mentioned (or rather were mentioned to us in their ppt)? Could you explain in brief the kind of work I would be required to do in each of them?


2. They mentioned that we would be given locational preference as well, and our seniors got that too. However, I'm not very keen on working in a metro; I'm more of a tier-II city kind of a guy. Do I only get to work with the "big profiles" in the big cities (which seems logical to me) and just be another manager in the tier-II cities?



3. The FLIP certifications that you mentioned, would it help if I took those before joining or should I just wait for the training they provide?



4. What are the perks PSB employees get over and above their in hand component?


It would probably be some hard work for you to reply to this, but I hope you would :)


Hi Avinav,

Congratulations on the new job! πŸ˜ƒ . Will try and address your queries one by one


1. Which are the other fields of banking I could work in apart from the ones I mentioned (or rather were mentioned to us in their ppt)? Could you explain in brief the kind of work I would be required to do in each of them?

Based on my experience the following would be the broad division of departments.

Retail Banking- Savings Accounts/Current Accounts/Credit Cards/ Bancassurance/ Private Banking etc. This is one aspect of Banking where the focus will be more on marketing rather than finance.

Transaction Banking/BUsiness Banking- Current Accounts/ Cash Management Services etc

Corporate Banking- This would involve giving loans to small and medium companies. Involves a mix of finance (role of Credit Analyst) and marketing (role of a Relationship Manager)

Risk Management- More or less completely finance and involves substantial number crunching. Great opportunity if you love numbers and don't really want a client facing role.

Capital Markets/Project Financing- Involves financing of very large projects both on debt side (long term loans/ syndication etc) and equity (M&A;/ Private Equity etc). Again involves a mix of Finance and Marketing

Treasury- Foreign exchange trading/ bond trading/ Correspondent Banking etc.....gr8 job if you really like stock trading looking at international transactions or trying to anticipate the markets.

2. They mentioned that we would be given locational preference as well, and our seniors got that too. However, I'm not very keen on working in a metro; I'm more of a tier-II city kind of a guy. Do I only get to work with the "big profiles" in the big cities (which seems logical to me) and just be another manager in the tier-II cities?

Yes, I would say that the "big profiles" would probably only be offered in the cities. Especially because the senior management generally sit at the head offices in the major cities. Profiles like treasury/risk management/ corporate banking would be generally limited to the big cities.

However, it will vary from bank to bank. Typically if you are really keen on a smaller city..look at a place where there is a big industrial cluster like Pune/ Gurgaon etc. Banks do tend to have large corporate branches in such cities and these branches do have powers to take major decisions. So you could also look at this option.

3. The FLIP certifications that you mentioned, would it help if I took those before joining or should I just wait for the training they provide?


Since you've already got a job....i think it is completly your choice. Would suggest you take the CBI training seriously as most times Management Trainees tend to take it as a paid holiday . Will probably be your only chance to experience the funcitoning of different departments first hand.
However, if there are likely to be a clamour for a few profiles which will then lead to further interviews...then you might consider doing a certification before joining...will help to be prepared :)

4. What are the perks PSB employees get over and above their in hand component?
Sorry am not in a position to answer this question since policies would vary from company to company. IF you would like to I can put you in touch with some of my colleagues who have earlier worked with PSBs and now working with Private Banks. However, since policies vary from Bank to Bank i think your seniors would be in the best position to help you. BUt apart from salary...i do know that starting your career with a PSB will make sure that your banking fundamentals are firmly in place.

Hope this helps and Wishing you All the Best

Cheers,

Wayne
Hi Avinav,

Congratulations on the new job! πŸ˜ƒ . Will try and address your queries one by one


Hope this helps and Wishing you All the Best

Cheers,

Wayne


Thanks a ton for such an exhaustive reply. Really appreciate it :thumbsup: Sure would help if you can get me through to some of your colleagues. Meanwhile, I would try to get in touch with my seniors too. The last statement of yours is indeed heartening to note :)


i do know that starting your career with a PSB will make sure that your banking fundamentals are firmly in place.

iam a final year engineering student for which course i should apply so that it may help me in making my career in any good filed other than engineering..

Having done the NCFM and the FLIP course.
Let me give you a bit of a comparison...
1. The important thing - Recognition
Everyone recognizes NCFM - NSE thats a plus, everyone knows its easy - thats the minus
Not many people know about FLIP - thats a minus, It has 5 banks/brokerages that recognize it, plus
2. Learning - You can decide this for yourself,
http://www.nse-india.com/content/ncfm/secmarket.zip
vs.

3. Pricing - NCFM - 1500.. thats cheap
FLIP - The certification is 2000- 2500 and training is from 2500 to 4500,
The combo works out 4000 to 6000
So thats a plus for NCFM.
the easiest way to compare though is the capital markets syllabus
Buy Now
nseindia.com
FLIP has equities, bonds, currencies and derivatives all in one course(5000) while NCFM has some of it across many modules... more lines on CV πŸ˜ƒ
4.Coverage - This is one place where I think FLIP clearly scores over NCFM. It has stuff in retail, corporate banking, capital markets, risk mgmt etc.

Having done the NCFM and the FLIP course.
Let me give you a bit of a comparison...
1. The important thing - Recognition
Everyone recognizes NCFM - NSE thats a plus, everyone knows its easy - thats the minus
Not many people know about FLIP - thats a minus, It has 5 banks/brokerages that recognize it, plus
2. Learning - You can decide this for yourself,
http://www.nse-india.com/content/ncfm/secmarket.zip
vs.
Product Demo
3. Pricing - NCFM - 1500.. thats cheap
FLIP - The certification is 2000- 2500 and training is from 2500 to 4500,
The combo works out 4000 to 6000
So thats a plus for NCFM.
the easiest way to compare though is the capital markets syllabus
Buy Now
nseindia.com
FLIP has equities, bonds, currencies and derivatives all in one course(5000) while NCFM has some of it across many modules... more lines on CV πŸ˜ƒ
4.Coverage - This is one place where I think FLIP clearly scores over NCFM. It has stuff in retail, corporate banking, capital markets, risk mgmt etc.


Hi Sheldon, thanks a lot for the comparison. Thorough comparison i must say. By the way i liked the demo link you gave Product Demo. Its nice and different:cheerio: Can you give some info on the actual product. Is it similar to demo?

Hey,
I have not got much time to go through...have been busy last few days.
I'll tell you about it in the weekend, if I get time.
Upto now no complains...

I am bach!

Its been a great experience. And the coverage is really amazing.
what makes me most happy is that an Indian company comes out with something like this and for indian students.
Somehow... its a step forward.

The only hitch is that sometimes its a little slow to load, but even that has not happened many times.

I think that even schools and colleges will start moving to this format in the next few years. And seriously CAT coaching should definitely be on this format given that CAT is even online now.

Hi Puys/seniors

i have few concern regarding my carrier and want to take a decision.Please puys,help me out.Please have a look at them patiently and guide me.
Here it goes. Currently, I have an experience of 2.7 years. I am looking forward to align my carrier in a different role in near future. Right now, i am working in a technical role and want to shift to role which involves more kind of analysis work. Moreover, i am inclined to the field related to "Statistic. Thus I have done my homework on it and found out that the six sigma could be a stepping stone towards my goal. Here are the following points which I have concluded and have some concerns regarding the same.

1. If i do Green belt six sigma" certification from current organization. Will the certification be recognized outside the organization and is it necessary to do an external certification on top of it.?

2. After completion of certificate, one requires to complete/involved in at least one six sigma to get certified. Even if I pass Green belt exam from current organization, will it be enough to get a break into a project of six sigma considering the number of projects available and opportunities?
Recently i came to know that CSQA certification could also be a good option to start off. Moving forward the other certification should be taken like GB,BB etc can be taken after gaining some experience in the project/during the project. But, i am not aware of the role and responsibilities in the after sailing through CSQA or green belt exam.

3. Does the two certification Provides a different background as far as project, responsibilities (nature of work) and future opportunities are concerned? .
I am really interested in making a transition in the field of quality and make it as long term carrier. But i am in great dilemma which approach should be the best one!!.

I highly appreciate if you could have a closer look on my concern and provide your valuable suggestions and ideas as per your convenience, in order to take a concrete decision.

Looking forward your reply.
Regards
Canonist
nope.......u just need to be a graduate from a recognized university
1st level is conducted in june n dec each year....2nd n 3rd level are conducted in june nly...
only 3 levels are there
after cfa course u can apply for charter only if u have a 4 year work ex in finance field
CFA is BAAP of all financial courses......u ll get a really gud job after completing it..but its a expensive course....n u need to have relevant work ex!
m planing to take cfa level 1 in dec dis year,,,if u r from delhi...we can also share notes etc....!

hi jaideep........evn m thnking of appearing 4 cfa levl 1 in dec...wats d course structure 4 lvl 1?...

thanx
I am bach!

Its been a great experience. And the coverage is really amazing.
what makes me most happy is that an Indian company comes out with something like this and for indian students.
Somehow... its a step forward.

The only hitch is that sometimes its a little slow to load, but even that has not happened many times.

I think that even schools and colleges will start moving to this format in the next few years. And seriously CAT coaching should definitely be on this format given that CAT is even online now.

Can someone tell me how tough this Buy Now exam is?

hi folks,
i m new 2 this thread..,great 2 see such a thread which concerns most of us..i will attempt cat 2010 (this time seriously)....but i m sure dat my poor profile will definitely pose problem...in future i see myself as an i-banker...i request u puys 2 guide me 4 my future...dere r many financial certifications in d market which v can go 4,but i m unable 2 choose one due 2 lack f knowledge...pleez puys guide me 2 select appropriate fin. course keeping in view of my keenness 4 i banks as well as building a strong profile for b school interviews....frends this is imp. 4 me
thanks in advance..

Hi Guys,
Although APICS certification (Operations Management), more specifically CSCP has already been discussed in this thread before, yet I am putting up this query because the old replies are as old as 2006. I wanted to know the following things;
1> I am doing MBA from NMIMS (First Year) and gonna take up an assortment of marketing and OM subjects. MR and CRM are definitely gonna figure in my list of subjects. So, I wanted to know, how useful would CSCP be.
2> In any case I am gonna appear this June, can anybody tell me where do I find the 4 modules in Mumbai(especially module1..please if anybody knows)(I know it can be purchased from KnoWerx @ $895 but me looking for some library which might be having it). It seems KnoWerx library in Kandivali doesn't have it.If anybody has it in their college library, please PM me your number...would appreciate your help)
3>If anybody has cleared CSCP, please guide me about the inputs in terms of time required to clear this exam.

Thanks and Regards,
Krishnadeep Gupta
NMIMS MBA(Core)
2009-11

Can any1 kindly throw some light on how one can enroll for the entry level NCFM exam and what is the nearest date when one can give it? It would be great is some could also guide a newbie like me on how to go about selecting the modules to build up a strong finance (MBA) profile. Also, from where do you buy the books for different modules?

Gargan2A Says
Can any1 kindly throw some light on how one can enroll for the entry level NCFM exam and what is the nearest date when one can give it? It would be great is some could also guide a newbie like me on how to go about selecting the modules to build up a strong finance (MBA) profile. Also, from where do you buy the books for different modules?

There's a specific thread for NCFM where you should be able to find the answer to your query:

http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/ncfm-certification-exam-nse-india-25029642

Hi all, i have gone thru this entire thread and im disappointed to find that the only marketing certification mentioned is CIM-UK. But i am told that a marketing MBA covers the topics under this certification. Then what is the point in taking this certification? Mine is the usual story....trying for CAT 2010,poor profile,wish for a specialisation purely in marketing. The domain I target is FMCG/retail. I do not wish to boost my profile by doing a certification which will be useless or which i will learning again. Hoping the puys wil be able to help me in this regard. Wil a certification in supply chain management help me? If yes,where can i do it?

Hi,

This year I am going to join an MBA college.I will opt for Finance in 2nd year as 1st year courses are common for everyone.I want to build a good Finance profile in next 1.5-2 years that is before start of placement season.
I am a B.tech and have good academics.Only prob is not so good work experience thanx to recession.
I was thinking of joining CFA from ICFAI also and wud like to pursue it along with my MBA.Also if necessary then will go for some certification exams in finance also in these years as I am eager to make career in finance.

what do u say guys?should I go for it now and pursue along with my MBA??