@Adymos hey man its like this, if you dont have a good profile and you want to go for a PHD in good international colls! one has to work as a researcher
@chiraxjr said: @Adymos hey man its like this, if you dont have a good profile and you want to go for a PHD in good international colls! one has to work as a researcherin ISB, then im sure he would not miss phd in any of the top colleges in the world! fpm in IIM are normal per se compared to PHD offered in good international top coll, even ISB!
You are correct about the researcher profile. It is called Research Assistant in ISB. This position is also available at IIMs.
You are correct in saying that after doing an RA stint most people get into some good PhD programs abroad. But the profile needs to be good, otherwise the RA stint doesn't help. For example, I know people doing RA stint at ISB who are IIT+IIM, IIM, ISI, DSE etc. Most top business PhD programs abroad prefer some kind of research experience and these people are doing RA stint at ISB to get that experience. However, if the person doing the RA work is a normal BTech or an MBA from a tier-2 college, the RA stint won't help much.
@sb29 it is called researcher and there is also sr researcher, to assist you with some professor who s doing researcher! likewise also happens with IIM/IIT. but my point is that ISB is at different level all togehter!
1st of all we dont have emperichal research happening in india! that is why i dont would not want to do my phd here!
you are also right in saying that research methodolgy has to be developed during that time, but one is likely to get some good people there who guide you better! and this too is applicable in cases, where one doesnt have a good profile! that is onw has now published any papers and stuff!
doing phd in top univ is the real deal i think! but one must have lot of skills before doing that!
@chiraxjr
1. The positions are called RAs and AAs (Academic Associates)
2. Empirical research is research based on observations and measurements and that is definitely happening in India. If you are talking about quality, that is also improving at a fast pace in India.
3. This year the RA's and AA's who got into PhD programs abroad were graduates from IIT Kanpur, IIM B, JNU, Duke University(US), ISI, XIMB, DSE. All of them have some great work experience. A colleague of mine has just joined ISB as RA and he is IITKgp+IIMA+workex. I know because I researched about this last year. Information about these students are available on their websites and I would suggest you go and check.
You seem to hold some really strong opinion about things. I would suggest you keep an open mind. More than statistics and methods, this is one trait which is critical for a good researcher.
@CaptainNemo said:@sb29 what happens if our theory gets rejected after the 2 years course ?
Sorry I didn't get you. It is a min 4 years course. The first year is common with MBA. 2nd year you take research courses and start thinking about your topic. Next 2 years you spend time writing your dissertation and taking additional courses if required.
@sb29 said:Sorry I didn't get you. It is a min 4 years course. The first year is common with MBA. 2nd year you take research courses and start thinking about your topic. Next 2 years you spend time writing your dissertation and taking additional courses if required.
i meant after two years course we have to take an comprehensive examination in case of FPM (Indore) what happens if i fail in it
@CaptainNemo
You won't fail if you study well enough. The institute is not looking out for a reason to fail you. After all it has invested (Rs. 20k*24 + tutions) on you. It is in the interest of the institute to see you succeed. However, if you really didn't study for 2 years and gained nothing, then you will not do well in the CE.
@sb29 please check out
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Researchers The Centre for Analytical Finance (CAF) at the Indian School of Business, Hyderabad, considers qualified candidates for the position of Researcher. |
we all are in here for a purpose, and that is too gain knwolege about things concerning research mosy importantly!
im not aware of RA or AA, but researcher the profile im talking about is like a stepping stone to a good PHD!
i do agree you dont need statistcis to prove your thesis entirely but it is still important, not that im from stats background, but im in research, and i dont undestand things, which are expained by stats, that is why i keep telling you stats is important!
yes as you say open mind is the most important things in this case, i am sure any one with zeal would be able to pursue a good pHD! one of my frnd working in A123, was asked by MIT to do his PHD with them! people can come from any sphere of life, but self belief is the most important thing!
and that is why i wanted to convey, PHD in india, is not holkistic as compared to the other international ones, this is not just my notion but its a fact!
Ok I am going to step in here and say that this is not a discussion for this thread... This thread is for people who are interested in FPM
@Adymos This thread is for discussion on all matters related to PhD/FPM in management. Many people do take the RA route so this was a pertinent discussion.
the IIMB FPM application process to begin from September 5, 2012
Dear All,
Coming back after long time.
I am doing FPM in IIMK , SM area.
I would love to help the FPM aspirants for 2013. Please PM me if any one is having questions/doubts.
Regards,
Pradeep
Dear All,
I am planning to apply for multiple IIMs for the FPM programme in 2013. Would like to understand from previous applicants, how do you manage so many reference letters ? Have they been all different reference letters signed by your faculty / manager OR they have done it once and you have photocopied them all ?
Apologies, if the question sounds a little naive.
Regards,
Amit
@amitmohapatro
Dear Amit,
Each of the iim have different format for reference letter. (Thought contents are more or less same) .
Hence you have to get separate reference for them .
I suggest , you meet your prof/manager well advance for reference .
Dear Amit,
Each of the iim have different format for reference letter. (Thought contents are more or less same) .
Hence you have to get separate reference for them .
I suggest , you meet your prof/manager well advance for reference .
@amitmohapatro said: Dear All,I am planning to apply for multiple IIMs for the FPM programme in 2013. Would like to understand from previous applicants, how do you manage so many reference letters ? Have they been all different reference letters signed by your faculty / manager OR they have done it once and you have photocopied them all ?Apologies, if the question sounds a little naive.Regards,Amit
I faced the same problem. Here are some tips:
1. Have more than 3 referees so that you don't have go to the same person for references and the load is divided.
2. Mail all the instititues to check if you can submit a normal reference letter instead of the institute mandated form. Many places will say 'No' but some may accept. Then you can just print out multiple copies and get them signed by your referees.
3. Start the process well in advance (preferably right now). Get the reference letters signed first. Even if you are only 50% sure that you will be applying to a certain institute, get their letter ready. You may or may not use them based on your ultimate decision.
4. For places where you have to submit online recos, my suggestion would be to meet the prof and guide them through the sections. Most profs are very busy people and they may just skip/write little in an important section of the form.