SAIL_BOY Sayshi there Sir, I talked to u earlier , I am having experience of Steel Authority of India Ltd of 3years....I am also adding our recent posts ....I appeared for Gmat and got a score of 610.....should I apply to some college or should I appear again
hi baccardisprite...
in continuation with my query(http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/international-educational-options-beyond-the-mba-25033375) and your reply to it, it would like to ask you another question..I applied for the Chinese Scholarship Council govt scholarship and got a 1 year full scholarship to study chinese at tsinghua(the top university in China). Along with that,I could only manage to get admission into the masters in international business program of Delhi School of Economics in DU. Now I am facing a big dilemma as to what to do..
I dont know why but I can't control the sinophile in me. I am just damn attracted towards china and seriously believe that my long term future is related to it.I am a bit too curious to explore that country in a greater detail and the best thing to start with is to learn mandarin, which I am already doing.. I dont know how this proclivity towards china going to shape my future. But I dont have any answer to the question of my family as to "what is the benefit of going to an alien country for 1 year and learning their language and then coming back home"......
On the other hand, my family is pressurising me not to leave DSE as it will secure my future and would help me land a good job,after which I could do whatever I want to do in life,go to china,taiwan,north korea or any other f****** place...they are also right in saying that thye knowledge of chinese would be an excellent complement to my degree in international business..so i should wait for two years,complete my masters and then apply for a scholarship again...
Again I am so confused..I believe that real knowledge comes outside the classroom,when you live with differrent people and cultures and learn from then,the opportunity for which this scholarship provides me..but then my family's point of view is also not wrong..should I invest my 2 years in MIB and then go to china or should I listen to my heart and go out for a risky adventure to learn the real meaning of life???I AM DAMN CONFUSED
If you have a GPA of 8/10, surely you're close to the top of the class. What makes getting that E&C; core job so difficult? If you don't want to do IT, have you thought of getting into a core company in the Energy field? Are you confining yourself to jobs only on campus - if so, why not apply to companies that don't come to campus? You seem to be accepting a set of narrow options with no attempt to broaden them. Look at the websites of major oil, refinery, engineering and specialist energy companies in India, and apply to their career websites!!!
Start thinking :-)
All the best
Cheerz
rajeev89 SaysYes actually i was confining myself to the campus placements. But, you seem to have missed an important aspect in my question, should i give a try at the MSc Management courses at LSE, LBS, Cass or Warwick?
Easy on the emotions young man!
Quite a dilemma... Did your parents like that movie called "3 Idiots"? What would the Rancho in you tell your parents?
You're 20 years old, you've got 45 years of career ahead of you. Your mind, body and soul are most willing and able to take on challenges for you to chase your passion here & now!
An Indian knowing Chinese isn't very common, and you would have a great chance to be snapped by Indian or Chinese companies seeking to mutually expand their business in the other country. As a proficient speaker and user of English and Chinese, you open your career opportunities to many other companies and industries operating in China. The Scholarship available to you today might NOT be available 2 years from now. But if things don't work out for you in China career-wise, the Delhi School of Economics is definitely NOT going anywhere, and / or a career in India (with / without Chinese) is still open to you (at age 21) !!!!
All said and done, there's only one way to find out.
Good Luck.
Baccardisprite
yudi90 SaysThe scholarship would be available even after two years....now what should I do..go with DSE and then to china or leave DSE and go straight???
Thanks Baccardisprite !!!
I decided to go for Nyenrode. The job market in Europe is not in the best shape right now. So from ROI perspective, Nyenrode seemed to be the best bet. I talked to few alumni from both the schools too. I have few contacts in Europe(Holland) and hopefully I can leverage them post MBA. The reason for choosing Netherlands as MBA destination was more than that. I believe that the Dutch are the most liberal minded people in Europe. " The Americans of Europe" :). And Holland is the only nation in western Europe where one can easily get by speaking plain English.
Cheers !!!
sdaryanani SaysYou are indeed correct my friend and believe me Nyenrode will be the best decision you have made. In my Humble opinion if you are planning to stay in Netherlands after your education then i would go for Nyenrode over Erasmus any day. I have visited Netherlands specifically to visit the various campuses in Netherlands and I have decided to only apply for Nyenrode
Yup.. Have sent my application to the university now awaiting for the interview schedule. I hope that you have done the same. If you have lemme know the details we can exchange notes
1. Yes - as long as the MBA / Masters (& what specifically your study / learn) is consistent with your career goals, and complements or helps you transfer your experience and skills to your career post your masters or MBA.
2. The scope depends on your career, how it develops after the MBA and if you're working for the right companies. For example, IF you end up working abroad immediately after the MBA / Masters in:
a) a multi-national company that has strong ties to India (like an existing subsidiary) and / or
b) an industry that has strong growth prospects in India (automotive, pharmaceuticals, healthcare, life-sciences, industrial machinery) and
c) you have strong functional / management / leadership experience that a company / industry like above that will find strongly valuable & applicable to their operations
Yes - you should be able to find a good role in India after a few years abroad. Mind you, it's not likely to be easy, you'll need to choose your role and companies carefully both immediately after the MBA and when you plan your return to India.
Gaining the right experience which is hopefully consistent with your long term career goals + consistent with the demands of the market, company, country and industry - is critical.
3. Yes - MBAs normally give out fewer scholarships / assistantships and fellowships to their students than do other master's programs.
The reason is simple - most scientific and technical masters programs get corporate / endowment funding to conduct research a part of which is distributed amongst students towards financial aid, assistantships & scholarships (mind you - still very competitive). In effect these become a sort of "payment" for the students to contribute to specific scientific and technical research while doing their Masters in that particular university. M.Sc in science, engineering subjects are 50% research + 50% career focused education. A significant # of M.Sc students in these subjects go on to Doctoral studies (Ph.Ds).
MBAs by contrast study and leave, and very rarely contribute to research, so the very few scholarships that are given out are done purely with the aim to attract a more competitive profile of student. An MBA is 100% a career focused education.
4. 2 years of experience is too little for the career you seek and for the schools you're thinking about. Your academics are weak and the only way you can take them out of the equation when applying is through spectacular professional achievement in the next 1 year (like a significant invention) or several years of experience backed by strong skills, career progress, leadership experience and a bag of success. All of that takes time, a minimum of 5 years out of college.
Don't measure your career by your chances of getting into school next year. Measure your career by the skills you gain in your job. Getting recruited by a company after an MBA / Masters is 75% your pre-MBA skills and 25% the school you go to. So it's a lot more to do with you.
With 2 years under your belt, you're unlikely to have acquired skills that a post MBA / MAsters employer will value!
5.700+ is highly recommended. It takes away any doubts as to your academic ability.
6 Yes. I do recommend that. It will help you spend time focussing on the GMAT and help you prepare.
7. Highly unlikely. Refer my comments on point 4 above.
8. Work for about 5-6 years, achieve a bag of skills, progress and professional experience your future employer will value. You seem clear about your long term goal. But build skills, employers will value those above your degree. Learn a foreign language, it will help you signal a skill to your future employer. And since you want a long term career in commercial operations - try applying to the MIT LGO program 5 years from now.
All the best.
Baccardisprite
Hi, thanks for such a detailed and insightful reply. The LGO Program is just the thing I am looking for, but I feel 5-6 yrs is a vry long time!! But as you said building up skills may take that long and also considering my acads, I may hv to wait tht long.. Dont know whether I wil be able to wait, anyways my current focus is on professional progress and a good score in GMAT(700+ of course!) which I plan to appear for in March-April 2011. According to you is there any "preferable time period/month" to appear for the GMAT?
-Also, I have heard that one should have done some social service/ activities like working in an NGO or something and that will increase the chances of getting admission n scholarship. Is that true?
-You also mentioned that learning a foreign language will be helpful. So then which language, I mean how do I decide that? Other than Chinese and Japanese among the other widely spoken languages are Spanish, German and French. I can choose German, as many auto companies are from Germany with strong business growth in India. Or Spanish and French, just because they seem more exciting to me.
-Frankly speaking, I really dont know whether I can make it to The MIT! Its a dream place and the best of the best go there and currently I am nowhere near that. I know I can do really well in my professional life, but I still think that my marks would hold me down at the end! You really think that it is possible? Which other school would u suggest for a similar course which could be more feasible for me of course with some good reputation? (I know it is negative thinking on my part, but I still would like you to comment on it)
-Also, if you dont mind telling, where did you do your MBA from?
Profile:
10th : 92
12th : 87
Engineering CGPA: 6.7(top 10 School)(till my 7th semester out of 10. It is a dual degree course)
I wanted to pursue MS in Finance at LSE, Said and the likes.
I would be taking up CFA in my penultimate year.
I plan to take up some NCFM modules as well.
What more could I do to better my profile for the MS Finance program?
I would like to pursue a Specialized Course in Consumer Behavior ... I am currently doing my PGDM from Goa Institute of Management, Goa. Kindly let me know of various B-Schools around the world which offer this course along with placement assistance.
Hi baccardisprite,
Awesome thread.
I am currently working at a big indian IT MNC.(been here 6 months).
I initially planned to work for a couple of years before going in for my MBA.But after coming across the masters in management thing,i'm thinking why not make the transition to management if it can be done earlier and more imporantly if it gets me a better job.
I would like to know how is the "masters in general management" programme at RSM erasmus?
If i do, i would apply next year.
I know its advisable to get 5+ years of exp. and then go for MBA...but i dont like my current job.Software development just does'nt cut it for me.
Regards
Che10
Hi Baccardisprite,
Thank you for such a useful thread. I have just completed BMS from NM college, Bombay with Finance specialism. I am Planning to go to UK for higher studies. I did not appear for any entrance exam viz. CAT/XAT..... , so wont be doing MBA. I had applied to universities in UK for Msc Finance and have got calls from University of Reading, HENLI business school(Msc Investment Management) and University of Nottingham(Msc Finance) ...course starting october, 2010. I am also planning to prepare for CFA while doing the above courses. I dont plan to work after this, will mostly get into business. I am doing the above courses to enhance my Financial Knowledge.
Please advise if the above mentioned courses and the Universities are good and worth spending so much. Also, if by any chance u have information about the above universities, please help me decide which one to select.
Hi baccardisprite,
Really Awesome work.
I need your help.
My Acads are 10-66%, 12-81% and B.TECH-68% in Petroleum refining and Petrochemical Technology from Laxminayaran Institute of Technology, Nagpur, which comes in top 15 chemical engineering coll across India.
I also received certificate of merit from university.Past B.Tech from last 2 yrs,I have been working in a MNC designing company, which mainly designs polyester plants. I am planning my PG next yr so that my work ex will be 3 yrs,
1.I read you had mentioned something called Quasi Management can you please explain it in detail.
2.will my current profile helpful for such profile.
3.Is there any other courses where blend of Technical and Management can be done.
4.What are the chances of getting scholarships in these type of courses.
5.I dont want to be in research or do MS in core chemical but I want to do my PG where a good weightage is given to my profile, plz suggest the courses for the same.
Thanks in advance,
Jatin
Hi bacardisprite!
I had posted this elsewhere but this seems to be a more relevant thread...Please help me out!
I have a quandary over MIS vs MBA.
First a little bit about myself. I have been working for 4 years (presently) in Infosys. No international experience. Laurels and achievements at work. Not-so-great acads (69% in Electronics engg but 90% in 12th and 10th), very good extra curriculars(community service while being school prefect,achievements in music, debates,movie making, trained in martial arts, avid quizzer), okayish community service (genuine stuff :-))..I have lots of achievements for my resume, but who doesn't these days (real or not 
). Basically, a fairly common profile...
I gave GMAT in 2009 without much drive and interest. Managed to scrape through with 680(47, 36, 5.5) and appeared for TOEFL ibt (114). Last year, I could not pursue the application process passionately due to personal issues. So I completely missed out on R1 and R2 for all schools. R3 was hopeless. But, in the process, I have learned that I genuinely wish to pursue a management degree abroad. I would love to pursue management in Technology and IT Consulting itself. The IT field is fine by me, I like it here and I have no illusions about my chances elsewhere. Since I am not specifically aiming for a career shift, I am perfectly ok with either a US MBA or a European degree.
I have come up with a (revised) target list for 2010 app season -
MBA
Manchester (UK)
Lancaster (UK)
RSM (Netherlands)
Purdue Krannert (US)
Maryland Smith (US)
MIS
Kelley (Indiana)
Eller (Arizona)
Mays (TAMU)
Robinson (GSU)
Based on what I have researched, my MIS targets seem to be quite high.
Still, what is your personal opinion of MIS vis-a-vis my aim of staying in the IT field?
Why do you think it isnt viewed on the same scale as an MBA?
Do you think are my post graduation placement position will be better off if I do an MIS from Kelley, Eller or TAMU than an MBA from a Second Tier Univ like Manchester,Lancaster, Purdue,Smith etc?
Strictly speaking in terms of brand names, how much weightage do you think I should give to college and for the course?In ur opinion, would you trade off an MBA for an MIS, if you got the degree from a better ranked MIS college like Kelley Indiana?
Secondly, Do you think I MUST re-take the GMAT for my target schools?
Hi bacardisprite!
I had posted this elsewhere but this seems to be a more relevant thread...Please help me out!
I have a quandary over MIS vs MBA.
First a little bit about myself. I have been working for 4 years (presently) in Infosys. No international experience. Laurels and achievements at work. Not-so-great acads (69% in Electronics engg but 90% in 12th and 10th), very good extra curriculars(community service while being school prefect,achievements in music, debates,movie making, trained in martial arts, avid quizzer), okayish community service (genuine stuff :-))..I have lots of achievements for my resume, but who doesn't these days (real or not
I gave GMAT in 2009 without much drive and interest. Managed to scrape through with 680(47, 36, 5.5) and appeared for TOEFL ibt (114). Last year, I could not pursue the application process passionately due to personal issues. So I completely missed out on R1 and R2 for all schools. R3 was hopeless. But, in the process, I have learned that I genuinely wish to pursue a management degree abroad. I would love to pursue management in Technology and IT Consulting itself. The IT field is fine by me, I like it here and I have no illusions about my chances elsewhere. Since I am not specifically aiming for a career shift, I am perfectly ok with either a US MBA or a European degree.
I have come up with a (revised) target list for 2010 app season -
MBA
Manchester (UK)
Lancaster (UK)
RSM (Netherlands)
Purdue Krannert (US)
Maryland Smith (US)
MIS
Kelley (Indiana)
Eller (Arizona)
Mays (TAMU)
Robinson (GSU)
Based on what I have researched, my MIS targets seem to be quite high.
Still, what is your personal opinion of MIS vis-a-vis my aim of staying in the IT field?
Why do you think it isnt viewed on the same scale as an MBA?
Do you think are my post graduation placement position will be better off if I do an MIS from Kelley, Eller or TAMU than an MBA from a Second Tier Univ like Manchester,Lancaster, Purdue,Smith etc?
Strictly speaking in terms of brand names, how much weightage do you think I should give to college and for the course?In ur opinion, would you trade off an MBA for an MIS, if you got the degree from a better ranked MIS college like Kelley Indiana?
Secondly, Do you think I MUST re-take the GMAT for my target schools?
shreyem SaysI would like to pursue a Specialized Course in Consumer Behavior ... I am currently doing my PGDM from Goa Institute of Management, Goa. Kindly let me know of various B-Schools around the world which offer this course along with placement assistance.
(till my 7th semester out of 10. It is a dual degree course)