International educational options beyond the MBA

Not only is it an interesting profile, but clear career goals and a low resistance , sensible pathway to get there - which I hope will reflect in your application essays as well. Cuch clarity will help you in your career. I would suggest you work on GMAT preparations and try your best to hit 740-750, which would round off a very good profile.

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All the best
Baccardisprite


This is awesome. Firstly thanks a million Baccardisprite 😃 It just motivated me a lot. 3 more questions.

1. Since you had mentioned about scholarships, How much % of tuition fee will be waived based on scholarships in afore mentioned US bschools (MIT-Sloan, Kellogg, Haas-Berkeley, and Babson) ? A range in percentage points will do. The question may be too dumb but as I said earlier I had just started my work with MBA plans.

2. How much weightage is given to GMAT Scores when considering scholarships ? Is it more favorable to people who have High GMAT Scores or they look upon other factors as well as in Your acads, GPA, work ex contribution ?

3. I was looking for ISB in your suggestions. How good is it for my needs ? 3 reasons - low cost, good for entrepreneurship, post mba job in India.

Thanks once again, that was really helpful in n number of ways.



Regards,
msv87
This is awesome. Firstly thanks a million Baccardisprite 😃 It just motivated me a lot. 3 more questions.

1. Since you had mentioned about scholarships, How much % of tuition fee will be waived based on scholarships in afore mentioned US bschools (MIT-Sloan, Kellogg, Haas-Berkeley, and Babson) ? A range in percentage points will do. The question may be too dumb but as I said earlier I had just started my work with MBA plans.

2. How much weightage is given to GMAT Scores when considering scholarships ? Is it more favorable to people who have High GMAT Scores or they look upon other factors as well as in Your acads, GPA, work ex contribution ?

3. I was looking for ISB in your suggestions. How good is it for my needs ? 3 reasons - low cost, good for entrepreneurship, post mba job in India.

Thanks once again, that was really helpful in n number of ways.

Regards,
msv87


1. In MIT-Sloan, the only program which offers a near guaranteed scholarship as a 50-65% of the tuition fees is the MIT-LGO program which is a dual MBA/MS degree. Extremely competitive to get in (please refer website for details). In Kellogg and Haas, scholarships are rarer, and very selectively given. Babson, due to its endowment, and the nature of its program & the career aspirations of its graduates, has a few more scholarships to give out, but again - all scholarships are extremely competitive. The scholarship amounts vary as a % of tuition, but can be between 10-100% of the tuition.

2. Instead of just a high GMAT, which is important, there're several criteria that adcomms would use in order to judge whether a candidate deserves a scholarship:

- Well rounded profile, including a high GMAT (740+ helps), excellent career progression, a suitably diverse background yet exceedingly solid candidate. Strong recommendations from people who know you, who have observed your strengths & areas of improvement / development (that an MBA would at least partially address), and able to rationalize why an MBA would help you at this stage of your career / life.

- Passion for the school's program, and genuineness of commitment to attend if offered a scholarship. This is visible through the candidate's profile, story through the essays and the interviews. All schools like to have high GMAT scorers; but along with that - schools will offer scholarships only to those MBA applicants who they feel "will" accept the offer & attend the program. IF a candidate who applies to Babson (for e.g) is so perfect, that the Babson adcomms believe that he/she will get into Harvard, Stanford, Wharton - they're unlikely to offer a scholarship to that candidate. IF a candidate is solid, well rounded, academically well inclined, and (most importantly) highly likely to achieve the career of his/her choice in the medium to long term, and the adcomm wants such a candidate in their school - a scholarship is also more likely. Very often, faculty and adcomm are jointly making decisions to award scholarships to MBA applicants.

- Scholarships for MBAs are competitive & rare purely because the MBA is a professionally inclined qualification. The MBA's contribution to research and insight generation (e.g helping a faculty member) is normally minimal to rare. Faculty may however, see some exceptions, and offer the opportunity to the candidate to work with them on their research projects / interests.

3. Yes, I missed ISB, and it IS a school you can / should consider. Again, you do have a somewhat diverse profile and career interest. You would be able to go back to a corporate job with your skills & attitude, and you could now / later become a successful entrepreneur. IF you bring a sold GMAT to the table and round off a good profile, you'll probably help your case for a scholarship even in ISB.

Overall - concentrate on getting admits to the school(s) you would genuinely be happy to attend, then worry about the scholarship. If you deserve it, it will come.

All the best
Baccardisprite
1. In MIT-Sloan, the only program which offers a near guaranteed scholarship as a 50-65% of the tuition fees is the MIT-LGO program which is a dual MBA/MS degree. Extremely competitive to get in (please refer website for details). In Kellogg and Haas, scholarships are rarer, and very selectively given. Babson, due to its endowment, and the nature of its program & the career aspirations of its graduates, has a few more scholarships to give out, but again - all scholarships are extremely competitive. The scholarship amounts vary as a % of tuition, but can be between 10-100% of the tuition.

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All the best
Baccardisprite


Thanks a lot once again Baccardisprite for taking your time to reply.
The positives in your application:
- Good Marks
- Publications in International Journals (it differentiates you from the rest of the engg crowd, for the mgmt programmes which look for a 'wow' factor)

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As far as the RoI is concerned, most programmes at B schools cost a lot. And ofcourse there are visa issues. However, afaik it is possible to get scholarships at European schools (Non UK), who're trying hard to diversify their class profile (I know folks who've gotten 50%+ rides at HEC, ESCP). The only cheap programmes I know of are ETH, Waterloo and Stockholm School of Economics.


thanx a ton for your help sir.
your reply was very insightful.
sir i have some further queries plz attend to them.
1:I am not planning to give GMAT,i am good at GRE as i have prepared
hard for it .
i have taken 2 more research projects in my college and 1 under a prof at IIT-kanpur
so chances of cracking CFA are very little for me as i havent studied for it.
can i get admission solely on basis of GRE .
2:i am targeting MSc Fin Math, MSc Finance & Economics for these programs at waterloo/schulich/vanderbilt/ETH/IEBS spain
what are the prospects at these and does a plain engineering student like me can get admission there with good
GRE scores ?
3:what are the returns after IB and Quant finance and also suggest me some colleges about these.
4:what are the prospects at ESCP,ETH as i have serious doubts about job opportunities at UK ?
5:will getting some experience as a PO in a public sector bank be a good option as i don't want to
be branded as Indian IT male ?
P.S kudos to your great advice
P.P.S baccardisprite sir plz offer some advice on GRE route ..

rust in peace sir::

sir i have also come across MSCF program at Tepper school Carnegie mellon
http://www.tepper.cmu.edu/master-in-computational-finance/admissions/index.aspx
plz have a look at this and suggest your views

Hi,
Does anyone have any information/data on the Admission waitlist for ESCP over the last couple of years?

Hi,
Does anyone have any information/data on the Admission waitlist for ESCP over the last couple of years?


Hey Nik-, are you going to ESCP ??? I am too.
You applied through CAT or SAI ? Please PM me.

How do you apply through the CAT?

1. In MIT-Sloan, the only program which offers a near guaranteed scholarship as a 50-65% of the tuition fees is the MIT-LGO program which is a dual MBA/MS degree. Extremely competitive to get in (please refer website for details). In Kellogg and Haas, scholarships are rarer, and very selectively given. Babson, due to its endowment, and the nature of its program & the career aspirations of its graduates, has a few more scholarships to give out, but again - all scholarships are extremely competitive. The scholarship amounts vary as a % of tuition, but can be between 10-100% of the tuition.

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Overall - concentrate on getting admits to the school(s) you would genuinely be happy to attend, then worry about the scholarship. If you deserve it, it will come.

All the best
Baccardisprite


Hi Baccardisprite,

I have planned to write my GMAT this year in August. I have a query regarding the Human Resource specialization for MBA. Most of the top B-Schools in India, eg ISB, do not have HR as a main specialization area, rather they have an elective called "Strategy & Leadership". If I like to pursue the studies in HR, in detail rather than just have 2-3 dedicated courses for it, what you suggest would be the best option. A Master of Arts in HR or and MBA with HR specialization? Thanks in advance.

Regards.
Hi,
I am 2011 pass out (B.Tech in Electronics), presently working with one of the big consulting companies.
After joining this firm, during my training, I found my interest in Supply Chain Management. Thereby I developed my skills in Order Management and then completed a Level-1 certification in Supply Chain Transformation in my firm.
I am a technical resource at present and want to entirely shift to Manufacturing/Operations or SCM. I gave CAT but my percentile didn't earn me calls from any IIMS or other good B Schools (which are known for Operations).
Meanwhile, I gave GMAT and also applied for two universities in UK and USA.
1. Master of Supply Chain Management Michigan Ross School of Business
2. MPhil Industrial Systems, Manufacturing & Management - Cambridge
While I was rejected by Michigan due to lack of post-graduation work experince, I got an admit for ISMM at Cambridge (which is designed for recent graduates with little or no work ex).
While the course at Cambridge is pretty much practical and highly established, I am concerned about the job scenario after that, in UK. 'Coz I am planning to stay back in UK for atleast 2 yrs after my MPhil.
So I would like to know if it is wise to leave the Job here in a good consulting company with fat package and go for MPhil at Cambridge. How likely is an Indian getting Job in UK after studying at Cambridge?

Thanks in advance :)

Hi Baccardisprite

I have a huge dilemma regarding my job and study

I am placed in two firms
1. Accenture as an associate software engineer CTC 3lpa
2. Mu sigma- CTC 4.5 lpa, position- business analyst

my final aim is to pursue an MBA in Luxury Business management

  1. what kind of work experience will be more relavent for that, from the above two choices?
  2. what else can i do to enhance my profile for the MBA- certifications, extra wrk etc
  3. what if I pursue a masters in managemnt from some european b-school , work there for 3-4 yrs nad then pursue an MBA in Luxury Business(as here i may get a job in some luxury firm after my MiM and that may sound relavent work ex)

Mu Sigma- has very high working hrs, avg 12-14 a day, but the profile is business analyst. :cheerio:
Accenture will giv me plenty oftime to study but i am not too bent on software...
also i will need time to prepare for GMAT..

what would be a bettr option??
plz help/..?:
pricool Says
Hi Baccardisprite, I have planned to write my GMAT this year in August. I have a query regarding the Human Resource specialization for MBA. Most of the top B-Schools in India, eg ISB, do not have HR as a main specialization area, rather they have an elective called "Strategy & Leadership". If I like to pursue the studies in HR, in detail rather than just have 2-3 dedicated courses for it, what you suggest would be the best option. A Master of Arts in HR or and MBA with HR specialization? Thanks in advance. Regards.


HR is a highly experience driven career, therefore you will not see too many "HR specific / connected" courses - rather a typical MBA will have an Org Behavior course in the core, practical leadership courses. In the elective streams, some advanced leadership, org strategy & team-dynamics courses that are more interactive and less classroom driven.

An MA in HR (in my humble opinion) works only in India. If you're in a tearing rush, go for the PGDM / Masters in HR in India; which is the least resistance pathway to a good HR career starting in India, with a good MNC. Experience, performance and leadership qualities will bring you International opportunities down the line.

Most HR people abroad will have just Bachelor's Degrees, and get into HR early in their career, and develop their competencies and career while on the job. There too, early careers in HR are decidedly local e.g a graduate from a French University, will likely get a job only in France (perhaps EU), but will take those 5-7 years to gain the experience, skill and leadership qualities to take his / her career international. Some of those would take an HR / Org Strategy specific Masters, but frankly, I don't think it adds much value early on.

Think about how you want your career to develop; don't chase education of any kind before you have sorted that out.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi,
I am 2011 pass out (B.Tech in Electronics), presently working with one of the big consulting companies.
After joining this firm, during my training, I found my interest in Supply Chain Management. Thereby I developed my skills in Order Management and then completed a Level-1 certification in Supply Chain Transformation in my firm.
I am a technical resource at present and want to entirely shift to Manufacturing/Operations or SCM. I gave CAT but my percentile didn't earn me calls from any IIMS or other good B Schools (which are known for Operations).
Meanwhile, I gave GMAT and also applied for two universities in UK and USA.
1. Master of Supply Chain Management Michigan Ross School of Business
2. MPhil Industrial Systems, Manufacturing & Management - Cambridge
While I was rejected by Michigan due to lack of post-graduation work experince, I got an admit for ISMM at Cambridge (which is designed for recent graduates with little or no work ex).
While the course at Cambridge is pretty much practical and highly established, I am concerned about the job scenario after that, in UK. 'Coz I am planning to stay back in UK for atleast 2 yrs after my MPhil.
So I would like to know if it is wise to leave the Job here in a good consulting company with fat package and go for MPhil at Cambridge. How likely is an Indian getting Job in UK after studying at Cambridge?
Thanks in advance :)


It is NOT a good idea to study in the UK now, specially if you don't bring any specific experience or skills that employers will value. The Cambridge name is unlikely to bring any benefits to your career at this stage.

The UK will from April 2012, take away the opportunity for Non-EU nationals to stay in the country and look for work after graduating a degree in the UK. It means, you will necessarily need to find an employ who will "sponsor" a work permit for you. In light of the law, attitudes towards immigration, and the logistically / administratively easier path to employ a UK/EU national - employers are unlikely to consider your candidature unless you bring something unique to the table (normally skills / experience that they can use immediately). It's a path of high resistance that you don't want to get into right now at this stage.

If you are in a tearing rush to leave your job in the consulting company, look at the Dual Masters Program offered by Georgia Tech & the National University of Singapore - in Singapore The Logistics Institute - Asia Pacific. You apply through the GRE, study in Singapore & Atlanta, and under certain conditions (believe it's a 3 year bond), might be eligible for a scholarship from one of the Singapore based sponsoring companies of the program. It's a well respected education that should offer you more opportunities than the Cambridge degree.

Overall - I would ask you to stay with your company, and position yourself for SCM related work as or when these opportunities come along. No harm letting your boss / supervisor know this is what you'd like to do.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Hi Baccardisprite, I have a huge dilemma regarding my job and study

I am placed in two firms
1. Accenture as an associate software engineer CTC 3lpa
2. Mu sigma- CTC 4.5 lpa, position- business analyst

my final aim is to pursue an MBA in Luxury Business management

  1. what kind of work experience will be more relavent for that, from the above two choices?
  2. what else can i do to enhance my profile for the MBA- certifications, extra wrk etc
  3. what if I pursue a masters in managemnt from some european b-school , work there for 3-4 yrs nad then pursue an MBA in Luxury Business(as here i may get a job in some luxury firm after my MiM and that may sound relavent work ex)
Mu Sigma- has very high working hrs, avg 12-14 a day, but the profile is business analyst. :cheerio: Accenture will giv me plenty oftime to study but i am not too bent on software... also i will need time to prepare for GMAT..what would be a bettr option??
plz help/..?:


I would recommend the Business Analyst role. Not because of the higher salary, but the more commercial analysis and insight focused work you would do there versus a technical role in Accenture, that you don't seem interested in anyway.

Luxury Business is a highly networked, customer relational career. The way to get there is to at least first land up in a sales / marketing role in a company selling premium consumer / durable products (e.g Lakme Lever / L'Oreal / Samsung).... And work your way up. Luxury business companies (PPM, LVMH, Luxotica) look for people with excellent communication, marleting and sales skills (first and foremost).

Go for the Mu Sigma role, get a couple of years, build a bank of Market Analysis skills, hopefully work for consumer, durable, luxury brand clients, and then get into a marketing / sales role with the kind of companies I have described above. Do that for 3-4 years, then go for a major European MBA with Marketing & Strategy electives.

Forget an MiM at this stage, less likely to help you than 1-2 years of experience in the areas I have described.

All the best
Baccardisprite
I would recommend the Business Analyst role. Not because of the higher salary, but the more commercial analysis and insight focused work you would do there versus a technical role in Accenture, that you don't seem interested in anyway.

Luxury Business is a highly networked, customer relational career. The way to get there is to at least first land up in a sales / marketing role in a company selling premium consumer / durable products (e.g Lakme Lever / L'Oreal / Samsung).... And work your way up. Luxury business companies (PPM, LVMH, Luxotica) look for people with excellent communication, marleting and sales skills (first and foremost).

Go for the Mu Sigma role, get a couple of years, build a bank of Market Analysis skills, hopefully work for consumer, durable, luxury brand clients, and then get into a marketing / sales role with the kind of companies I have described above. Do that for 3-4 years, then go for a major European MBA with Marketing & Strategy electives.

Forget an MiM at this stage, less likely to help you than 1-2 years of experience in the areas I have described.

All the best
Baccardisprite

Thanks a lot Baccardisprite!
I would recommend the Business Analyst role. Not because of the higher salary, but the more commercial analysis and insight focused work you would do there versus a technical role in Accenture, that you don't seem interested in anyway.

Luxury Business is a highly networked, customer relational career. The way to get there is to at least first land up in a sales / marketing role in a company selling premium consumer / durable products (e.g Lakme Lever / L'Oreal / Samsung).... And work your way up. Luxury business companies (PPM, LVMH, Luxotica) look for people with excellent communication, marleting and sales skills (first and foremost).

Go for the Mu Sigma role, get a couple of years, build a bank of Market Analysis skills, hopefully work for consumer, durable, luxury brand clients, and then get into a marketing / sales role with the kind of companies I have described above. Do that for 3-4 years, then go for a major European MBA with Marketing & Strategy electives.

Forget an MiM at this stage, less likely to help you than 1-2 years of experience in the areas I have described.

All the best
Baccardisprite

Dear Baccrdisprite

can you suggest some certifications or out of the box stuff i cn do to later get a marketing role or in long term - a Luxury Business Degree/MBA in the top European Schools...?
or mayb sme design or language courses along?

Thanks in advance!
GMAT girl Says
Dear Baccrdisprite, can you suggest some certifications or out of the box stuff i cn do to later get a marketing role or in long term - a Luxury Business Degree/MBA in the top European Schools...? or mayb sme design or language courses along? Thanks in advance!


Speaking one European Language (French would help) and one emerging market language (like Chinese) would certainly help in customer facing & marketing / brand management roles.

Else, please try to get a role as a Marketing / Business Analyst with a company selling some sort of premium / luxury products. It's best to move to the Marketing / Brand Management role ahead of any education than try after getting education....Forget any certifications....

All the best
Baccardisprite
Speaking one European Language (French would help) and one emerging market language (like Chinese) would certainly help in customer facing & marketing / brand management roles.

Else, please try to get a role as a Marketing / Business Analyst with a company selling some sort of premium / luxury products. It's best to move to the Marketing / Brand Management role ahead of any education than try after getting education....Forget any certifications....

All the best
Baccardisprite

thanks for the help.
GMAT girl Says
thanks for the help.


Hi,

My profile:

Completed my Bachelors of Pharmacy and currently working in production/manufacturing department of a Pharmaceutical company.
Interested in doing MBA in Operations/supply chain.
Please name top institutes in India as well as in abroad which accepts science background graduates.

has anybody any idea about duke's master of engineering management programme?