International educational options beyond the MBA

thank you lord aragon and baccardisprite!

your inputs are very informative. I have done my bit of research regarding LSE and the engineering schools. I believe the Economics degree from LSE will have a greater impact when I apply to Consulting and IB's. I agree that the engineering schools will give me more opportunities for RA/TA. LSE does give second year masters students RA/TA opportunities as well. I eventually want to work in the M&A;, Strategy/Consulting sector. I guess going to LSE might just be more benefitial.

London will also give me access to the top banks and consulting firms.

Thanks for the inputs.

Kushagra

ps- I have sent my acceptance to Cornell though. LSE offer has also been accepted.


Good luck man...

HK

My question still remains....are there entities that can gauge the chances of a candidate based on the complete profile of a person ?I take your points, however one look at the admission criterion that top schools go by and it gets amply clear that the GMAT score will matter (read should be more than 650 or so) for background like mine.

I would like to know about some of the good schools that offer MSc Finance programs (1 yr) in US and UK ,the average profile they admit . How to prepare for the application process ,besides I found each school has admission in different times of the year .

I wouldnt want to apply for computational/quantitative finance programs like MFE etc ,however I am familiar with most of the stats used in finance

I have a PG in Capital Markets , I have been working as a Proprietary Trader/Analyst (equity) for a buy-side firm .I am also pursuing FRM(GARP) and CFA .Post MSc Finance I would like to work in a Hedge fund/buy-side equity firm as a Portfolio Manager/Asset Manager .

That apart ,would I be able to justify the time and money spent on MSc Finance ...or completeing CFA,FRM would put me on par with a MSc finance program from a top school

I would like to know about some of the good schools that offer MSc Finance programs (1 yr) in US and UK ,the average profile they admit . How to prepare for the application process ,besides I found each school has admission in different times of the year .

I wouldnt want to apply for computational/quantitative finance programs like MFE etc ,however I am familiar with most of the stats used in finance

I have a PG in Capital Markets , I have been working as a Proprietary Trader/Analyst (equity) for a buy-side firm .I am also pursuing FRM(GARP) and CFA .Post MSc Finance I would like to work in a Hedge fund/buy-side equity firm as a Portfolio Manager/Asset Manager .

That apart ,would I be able to justify the time and money spent on MSc Finance ...or completeing CFA,FRM would put me on par with a MSc finance program from a top school.

Hi guys...
i was searching for this kind of thread for the past few weeks... Finally i am here :)

I am a 3rd year BTech student from new delhi . I am looking forward for LSE Operational research course , but i am totally blank about the process of applications and how/when to apply .

I researched on the LSE website but couldn't get sufficient information from there.

If any one has any idea about the course , job prospects after the course and the process of admission then please reply .

I would be graduating in 2010 so when is the time i need to apply for the course ?


Thanks
Aayush

I would like to know about some of the good schools that offer MSc Finance programs (1 yr) in US and UK ,the average profile they admit . How to prepare for the application process ,besides I found each school has admission in different times of the year .

I wouldnt want to apply for computational/quantitative finance programs like MFE etc ,however I am familiar with most of the stats used in finance

I have a PG in Capital Markets , I have been working as a Proprietary Trader/Analyst (equity) for a buy-side firm .I am also pursuing FRM(GARP) and CFA .Post MSc Finance I would like to work in a Hedge fund/buy-side equity firm as a Portfolio Manager/Asset Manager .

That apart ,would I be able to justify the time and money spent on MSc Finance ...or completeing CFA,FRM would put me on par with a MSc finance program from a top school.


I would suggest you to please go through the archives here as most of the queries would have been answered already.

For a broad outline, there are several schools that offer Masters in Finance programs. Of the ones that offer a quantitative focus, Princeton, Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon and Ross offer the top programs. Baruch, Georgia Tech, LSE, and certain other programs would fill the second tier. Please go through the forums at Global Derivatives for all info regarding quant finance programs.

I believe, a finance degree from a top school will give you more access to your target companies than a CFA or an FRM, bcoz frankly speaking, I believe there are too many out there with a CFA/FRM....

Hope this helps....

HK
Hi guys...
i was searching for this kind of thread for the past few weeks... Finally i am here :)

I am a 3rd year BTech student from new delhi . I am looking forward for LSE Operational research course , but i am totally blank about the process of applications and how/when to apply .

I researched on the LSE website but couldn't get sufficient information from there.

If any one has any idea about the course , job prospects after the course and the process of admission then please reply .

I would be graduating in 2010 so when is the time i need to apply for the course ?


Thanks
Aayush


I admit, the LSE website s kinda vague for the operational research group. :biggrin:

LSE is a pure academic institution, and for this reason places particular importance on your academic performance. Applications are online which I believe is fairly self explanatory once you begin the process. I would definitely suggest you to apply early, sometime around November/December.

I have no qualms about the program and its contents, but would be very apprehensive about the job prospects, specially for a fresher. UK markets are not known to be particularly savvy of freshers, be it even for an LSE grad. With the economy in its current shape, it doesnt help much either, though, it might not be a huge concern by the time you graduate - HOPEFULLY.... Do weigh your options carefully and make a decision.

Hope this helps...

HK

Hi lord aragon and baccardisprite

I am considering enrolling for the CFA level 1 exam for next june. How much of a help will a CFA be for me ? (considering the fact that i intend to work after my Msc Economics from LSE)

thanks

Kushagra 😃

hi baccardisprite,

1stly i wud lyk 2 thank u 4 d incredibl efforts u put in this thread,my case is that i hav got 99.99 percentile in MCET so gud chance of makin it 2 jamnalal .

i hav also been accepted by warwick n CASS for MSc managment,
i hav no work ex,

Considerin if by chance i dont make it 2 JLB wud it b betr 4 me 2 go 4 MSc Managment 4rom d above mentioned Unis,n if i prefr them out of Warwick and CASS which 1 2 prefr

i m plannin 2 double up my PG degree wid either CPA or CFA

lukn 4 ur guidance

thanks

Hi lord aragon and baccardisprite

I am considering enrolling for the CFA level 1 exam for next june. How much of a help will a CFA be for me ? (considering the fact that i intend to work after my Msc Economics from LSE).

thanks

Kushagra :)


If buy side asset / fund management (in any form) or equity / securities research / analysis is something you intend getting into, I'd recommend a CFA as well. Many I know in that area tend to have the designation despite previous Master's / Doctoral level education in Finance.
hi baccardisprite,

1stly i wud lyk 2 thank u 4 d incredibl efforts u put in this thread,my case is that i hav got 99.99 percentile in MCET so gud chance of makin it 2 jamnalal .

i hav also been accepted by warwick n CASS for MSc managment,
i hav no work ex,

Considerin if by chance i dont make it 2 JLB wud it b betr 4 me 2 go 4 MSc Managment 4rom d above mentioned Unis,n if i prefr them out of Warwick and CASS which 1 2 prefr

i m plannin 2 double up my PG degree wid either CPA or CFA

lukn 4 ur guidance

thanks


Please write in proper English and not sms font!! As convenient as sms font might be, it's clearly not a good habit as you approach an age to enter the job market.

If you want to work abroad (in the UK) - I would recommend Cass (City University), and a more professionally relevant & functionally applicable program like Finance / economics / econometrics / decision sciences, rather than an M.Sc in Management. If you don't get into J-Bajaj, I would recommend waiting for a year, seeing how the economy pans out - and applying to UK universities again.

Good luck with JLB - keep confidence high, perform well at the interviews and you should make it.
Hi bacardi sprite!
It would be very kind of you if u can please guide me thru.I am in a deep dilemma.:banghead:
I am a BE in Electrical & Electronics.Currently working in production company since past 1 year at d post of Asst Manager.Planning to take up a PG couse in fall 2010 (that will make my work ex to 2 years)
I want to pursue masters/ MBA course in either India or abroad.
I wanted to know how good is MS in management as against MBA?
Are there any colleges abroad that do not require GMAT score for MBA and GRE for MS in management?(considering just profile,work ex and recos)
How would you suggest i should plan for my PG as to
  1. What exams to take up and when?
  2. Which colleges to apply?(preferably US)
How much will an entire MS and MBA course cost in the US?
Thanks in advance.Ur doing a great job.God bless!!!
PS-my interest is in advertising, marketing and global management.(ur welcome to suggest some other courses).

Thanks ! I did go through few of the posts by baccardisprite ,however I found most of the schools discussed are quantitative finance or financial engineering oriented which requires a background in physics,maths or economics (for ex : Columbia ,Princeton etc) ,I would be interested to know schools which offer MSc finance for ex : the MiF program in LBS which has a balanced curriculam not exactly skewed towards one particular area .

Besides as far as my knowledge goes quantitative or computational finance subjects does not lead to a asset management/fund management career path .I feel quantitative areas works well if I am building a pricing model or tweaking a software or in certain cases working on structured finance - derivatives , whereas I am interested in getting into buy-side firm strategising investment funds ...not exactly working on just math to 'short' or 'long' a particular stock

I would like to know how is University of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign which offers MSF

Hi baccardisprite

I wanted to ask something about Product Management.

1. How much is product management related to marketing? Is a product manager's role entirely based upon marketing or are there other elements like design etc involved? What is the technical differentiation between a "product manager" and a "brand manager"?

2. Do entry level positions in product management exist, for which a person in his twenties with let's say 3-4 yrs of work-ex (technical) can qualify? or is it that all the positions in product management require extensive work experience (technical + sales/marketing)?

3. If I want to move into product management after 3-4 yrs of work-ex as a programmer/designer, what kind of degrees/universities (preferably in USA) would be most appropriate (apart from MBA)?

My short-term career goal is to become a Product Manager for technology related products (in software, semiconductors, automobiles, consumer electronics, telecom, industrial systems/solutions etc).

Thanks in advance.
Najmuddin

PS: This thread is super awesome

Hi baccardisprite,
Firstly thanks for your effort and time :)
I am working with a Technology consulting (MNC) firm in India on ERP for the past 2 years. Also a certified six sigma and lean consultant . Academically have been in top 1% throughout and good at extra curricular activities.
I am looking at Process Design and Optimization in Services Industries. Also keep a keen interest in Energy and Utilities.
Post graduation I am looking to move into core consulting.
Could you advice me on courses which can help me shift my career from tech to consulting (generalist positions)
These are some of the programs I felt are appropriate....
The MEM Program at Thayer School of Engineering at Dartmouth
The Master of Science in Management Science and Engineering at Stanford
MIT Technology and Policy Program (TPP)
MIT Master of Science Degree
MBA from ISB

//BR
raghu
Hi baccardisprite,

I need your advice on which course should i go for.

the problem i am facing in deciding is that though i know that i would love to get into some business few years down the line, i am really not sure which industry will it be and what course should i be doing right now.

i am in IT industry and dont want to continue in this as i am not really a techie guy and also i feel i am not made for this industry. its been 3 yrs now that i am in this industry.

i gave gmat last year, got 770.
i applied to 6 of top 20 universities (5 US + 1 Indian) (ft ranking) for their MBA program.
got rejected in all 6. i guess i was not having focus and had bad interviewing skills.

please guide me in choosing if MBA is really what will suite me
( i am unintersested in HR, marketing will not suite me, finance is no no, operation is not something i want to focus on) and where should i be really applying.

i intend to start some business in India in the long term. these days i am doing small small things like community service, toastmaster clubing, starting a website, all these apart from regular work at office.

thanks a ton in advance for your reply.. it will definitely be very valuable for me.

thanks and regards,
Siddharth

Hi Bacardisprite,

Are there any eligibility criteria for applying for MS in Operations mgmt?

I am a B.Tech in Biotech with 35 months IT work-ex. I have a GRE score at hand. I am interested in quantitative operations management...the kind offered at the Univ of Cincinnati (Ohio), and the SUNY (Buffalo) colleges.

I would say this is one of the best threads i have ever gone through. Great going bacardispirit. It took me more then 2 hours to read the complete thread but I would say its worth every minute as I came to know lot of things that i wasnt even aware that they existed.

Hi bacardi sprite!
It would be very kind of you if u can please guide me thru.I am in a deep dilemma.:banghead:
I am a BE in Electrical & Electronics.Currently working in production company since past 1 year at d post of Asst Manager.Planning to take up a PG couse in fall 2010 (that will make my work ex to 2 years)
I want to pursue masters/ MBA course in either India or abroad.
I wanted to know how good is MS in management as against MBA?
Are there any colleges abroad that do not require GMAT score for MBA and GRE for MS in management?(considering just profile,work ex and recos)
How would you suggest i should plan for my PG as to
  1. What exams to take up and when?
  2. Which colleges to apply?(preferably US)
How much will an entire MS and MBA course cost in the US?
Thanks in advance.Ur doing a great job.God bless!!!
PS-my interest is in advertising, marketing and global management.(ur welcome to suggest some other courses).


An MS in Management (or related business subject) is normally meant for people with fewer years of experience, so might be good for you. While I'm quite certain there're a few schools that will not require a GMAT or GRE, these wouldn't at all be of any repute and I would seriously doubt their educational quality.

Sorry to be harsh, but the rest of your questions reflect plumb laziness and a lack of passion to follow up on your ambition. Think about what you want to do in life, and see what sort of education you need to get you there. I can't (no one can) help you figure that out.

Good luck
prasadhegde Says
Thanks ! I did go through few of the posts by baccardisprite ,however I found most of the schools discussed are quantitative finance or financial engineering oriented which requires a background in physics,maths or economics (for ex : Columbia ,Princeton etc) ,I would be interested to know schools which offer MSc finance for ex : the MiF program in LBS which has a balanced curriculam not exactly skewed towards one particular area. Besides as far as my knowledge goes quantitative or computational finance subjects does not lead to a asset management/fund management career path .I feel quantitative areas works well if I am building a pricing model or tweaking a software or in certain cases working on structured finance - derivatives , whereas I am interested in getting into buy-side firm strategising investment funds ...not exactly working on just math to 'short' or 'long' a particular stock. I would like to know how is University of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign which offers MSF

prasadhegde Says
I would like to know about some of the good schools that offer MSc Finance programs (1 yr) in US and UK ,the average profile they admit . How to prepare for the application process ,besides I found each school has admission in different times of the year. I wouldnt want to apply for computational/quantitative finance programs like MFE etc ,however I am familiar with most of the stats used in finance. I have a PG in Capital Markets , I have been working as a Proprietary Trader/Analyst (equity) for a buy-side firm .I am also pursuing FRM(GARP) and CFA .Post MSc Finance I would like to work in a Hedge fund/buy-side equity firm as a Portfolio Manager/Asset Manager. That apart ,would I be able to justify the time and money spent on MSc Finance ...or completeing CFA,FRM would put me on par with a MSc finance program from a top school


Read this and your other post. Your career goal is quite clear, so that's half the battle won. Urbana is an excellent engineering school, and a fairly well known business school. Academic quality will be assured.

The LBS MiF is a very good program and would in fact recommend going there over a US school, but the City of London is alongside NYC, a pretty screwed place to be right now w.r.t the jobs you're looking for. I would actually wait for a couple of years and try again, unless you're in a tearing rush now.